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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Kruse
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: CT8
Lots of made in China parts tags on the Fords that I have been looking at. A $55,000 F150 pick up with made in China tires .Really doesn't bother anybody.?


Got any pics? Last one I looked at had Goodyear's on it
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Within the past month, my employer bought two new Ford F150 trucks. Both of them had Hancook tires on them. As of today, I did not look at the origin of the tires.


Can you? I'm now interested.


The tires on our new Ford F150 pickups are Hankooks that are made in Korea. Which is somewhat surprising to me when you have a few manufacturers beating their chest and saying that "Our truck is more 'Merican than your truck". Making it more American would be as simple as replacing the Korean tires with American-made tires. (Even if they would put on Good Years or foreign-owned Firestones)
 
Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts


My 2006 B2300 is a giant rusting disaster underneath; really not impressed there. Like they planned to make it last 10 years.



That is all vehicles in CT though. Have you seen the stuff they spread on the roads? I've seen a few newer body style Chevy trucks (2008?) with rust bubbles around the rear wheel well. My dad's 2009 M-Benz GL450 was developing surface rust on some of the undercarriage before he traded it two years ago.

I actually saw a story on Channel 8 news this morning about how they are finding that since switching the content of the road salt 7 years ago, the brake lines on big rigs and state trucks are rusting out faster than ever before. It is also causing considerable damage to bridges. I'd rather just buy studded snows every year than have to deal with this [censored]. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling while I am driving to think about all the cars that surround me with rusting brake lines.


My 2003 echo looks much better than the 2300. It isn't just the salt, but also the materials used and how the mfg protects them. My rust started 3 or more years ago.

CT is now using magnesium chloride mixed in which rock salt which apparently increases its corrosiveness

http://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Ken-Dixon-DOT-serves-salt-on-ice-4321450.php
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Nick R
I can confirm that a lot of F-150s seem to come with Hankook tires. I've seen them myself. It's not surprising they are made in China. The Kumhos that came on my 11' Focus were also made in China.

Ewwwwwwww
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My 2014 Explorer has Hankook on it, but I have not looked at COO (I now assume that it is China). They have a little more than 21K on them and are wearing very well.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL

This, and your post in the "what car you wouldn't drive if it was free" thread personify the irrational obsession with materialism, self image and brand identity; that a person is judged not by their ability or strength of character, but by the shoes they wear or the car they drive.

As I said, these sort of statements speak more to the shallow nature of your character than they do of the people you seemingly feel fit to judge based solely on their material possessions.


You nailed it. Nothing more need be said...
 
The Mustang that I bought last year was my first Ford since 1989 when I got rid of my first car, a 1972 Ford LTD. Everything in between has been GM and I still own five GM vehicles.

While the car has been fine mechanically, paint and interior wise it has not been so good and Ford's warranty process sucks worse than any new vehicle I have ever owned. In my case they try to blame me for material and paint defects. If I never buy another Ford it will be for that reason alone.

Wayne
 
I think Chrysler and GM have more well rounded offerings than Ford. I get the impression that a lot of people favor Ford because they didn't take 'bailout' money. I think Ford is overrated and I think Chrysler is underrated and are getting better as time goes on
 
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
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It was nice of Ford to label all the parts that would fail on my Mazda with FoMoCo or the Ford oval.


Hahahahaha, perfect. And, so true!
 
I do like the Fords, mostly because I find them comfortable.

My 2009 F150 has had it's first "failure" a $35 heater blend door motor that is a royal PAIN to replace. However, one failure in 6 years is pretty darn good.
 
Originally Posted By: Kruse
Originally Posted By: tig1

Firestone tires in the 70's had cord separation problems big time.


The Firestone 721, IIRC.


IIRC the 721 and even earlier the Firestone 500. My mothers new 73 Lincoln blew one on the rear going down the highway in warm weather, they were new OE tires on that car.
Firestone had major problems for decades and covered them up.

http://www.autosafety.org/firestone-500-steel-belted-radials
 
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
My 2014 Explorer has Hankook on it, but I have not looked at COO (I now assume that it is China).


They are made in Korea. Only two sizes of the Hankook Optimo H426 are made in China, P195/55R15 and some 225/50R16s...at least according to Tire Rack's database.
 
Originally Posted By: horse123
And people like you are the other half of the reason I hate Ford.

I can't imagine being so miserable that I'd spend energy hating a car.
 
Originally Posted By: CT8
Lots of made in China parts tags on the Fords that I have been looking at. A $55,000 F150 pick up with made in China tires .Really doesn't bother anybody.?




Yeah, it bothers the living dog [censored] right outta me! It really does, but what can you do about it besides not buy one?
 
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: DemoFly
As a working mechanic, the only ford I would buy would be an F-250 with the 6.2L.

Hands down the best vehicle they turn out. Every piece of equipment in that vehicle is best of class, IMO.

I wouldn't bother with any other Ford offering, though.


I kind of have to agree.

A lot of this is subjective. Ford is certainly trying harder in certain segments than they have in the past, but I am losing interest in their vehicles. Win some, lose some I guess.

I love 1970s-early/mid 2000s Ford trucks. Something about their general design just works for me in a vehicle. I can't pin it down to one thing, but whether it's a 1994 Explorer, 2002 Ranger, 1997 F-150, 1995 F-250, etc...they all seem familiar to me. Somewhere in the mid 2000s, I just stopped liking most of their current offerings, at least more than the competition. It's like a group of engineers retired/moved elsewhere.

If I was going to buy a new Ford, a Super Duty with a gas engine would be about the only thing on my list. I might consider an F-150, but I just don't like it that much over the Silverado and Ram. I would honestly rather drive a nice 1996 F-150 than a brand new







Very much agreed! Thought I was the only one that felt this way. Especially agree with the 1996 F-150 comment. It's just like being home in your favorite chair.













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I admire Ford pickups because they use a high USA parts content. Last I checked they were 75% while Dodge is 65% and Chevy 40%. When I was looking for a truck I tried to get a 150, but couldn't find one the way I wanted it (6 cyl STX ext cab 2WD) so I bought the Chevy. No issues with the Chevy, though.
 
I have really, really high hopes for the GT350. A flat-plane crank V8 with a manual transmission and a legit chassis setup... I don't think most people realize what a consequential thing that is these days.

Other than that, they make nothing I would buy -- but a whole heck of a lot that I appreciate.

Dodge just isn't there yet, though they will be if they keep improving at the current rate. What puzzles me is why I can't like GM as much as I like Ford. Can't put my finger on it. I think it's because of their SUVs and Buick...
 
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
I have really, really high hopes for the GT350. A flat-plane crank V8 with a manual transmission and a legit chassis setup... I don't think most people realize what a consequential thing that is these days.

Other than that, they make nothing I would buy -- but a whole heck of a lot that I appreciate.

Dodge just isn't there yet, though they will be if they keep improving at the current rate. What puzzles me is why I can't like GM as much as I like Ford. Can't put my finger on it. I think it's because of their SUVs and Buick...


Oh there are SOME of us who love the possibilities out there. The GT350 is only one of many excellent choices.

It's a great time for those who keep a high performance auto in the stable...
 
Originally Posted By: Danh
Compare the Taurus to the Impala, for instance.


Yeah, let's compare a brand new car (Impala) to a 2009 design (Taurus). Although I do like the new Impala - sharp looking car!

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The unsorted/underdeveloped/under engineered DCT used on the Focus/Fiesta,


Do you know that is a Getrag designed unit?

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the stalling, buggy MyFordTouch and the whole EcoBoost engine experiment (stay tuned, but let's see how this works with 10,000 mile OCIs on bulk conventional oil) are examples.


Ecoboost has been out since late 2009. Many of them are getting up there in miles without incident. Y
At what point does it qualify as "reliable" vs other manufacturer's designs?

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For example, is anyone getting the advertised fuel economy benefit from the EcoBoost engines?


26 MPG highway in the Taurus, 21 combined, right in line with the EPA
18-16.9 MPG in the F150, right in line with the EPA.

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Does anyone realize that the Escape roof rack has a load limit of 100 pounds (45 pound with a sunroof) - cyclists, kayak/canoe owners, cargo box users look elsewhere.


Been that way since at least 2010:
http://www.escape-city.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=6496

We've had LOTS more than that on the roof rack of the wife's 2003 without incident.

They ain't perfect but neither is anyone else.
 
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Originally Posted By: OVERKILL

Huh? Ford took out billions in loans BEFORE the bailout so that they wouldn't have to go bankrupt.

He said he would take $1/year for pay if Ford had to take government bailout money. They didn't, so he didn't.


They mortgaged everything! Names, buildings, etc.

Why? Because the Ford family still has controlling interest in the company and if they would have take government $$ they would have lost that control.

Time has a good article here: http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1866152,00.html
 
Originally Posted By: artificialist
If Ford had an AWD version of the Ford Focus ST back in 2011, I would have bought that instead of my Mitsubishi.


I am still holding out hope (probably futilely
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