One thing for sure if they do back spec older models to 5W30 it won't be for CAFE credits. The only reason I can see them doing it would be the 5W30 is actually a better choice.
Ford changes oil grade recommendations for 2016
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
One thing for sure if they do back spec older models to 5W30 it won't be for CAFE credits. The only reason I can see them doing it would be the 5W30 is actually a better choice.
That's exactly what I was thinking too. I just wonder if Ford will state the reasons why they spec 5w30 in the 2016 versions. If they back spec the < 2016 variants then I wonder if they will state the reason why. This is such a loaded gun debate I am very interested in what Ford has to say about this. The new recommendation is either from 1.) a design change in the 2016 variants 2.) Lubrication issues with 5W-20 3.) The < 2016 engines weren't designed for optimal use with 5W-20. Hopefully it's just an engine design change.
I am all ears on this though!
One thing for sure if they do back spec older models to 5W30 it won't be for CAFE credits. The only reason I can see them doing it would be the 5W30 is actually a better choice.
That's exactly what I was thinking too. I just wonder if Ford will state the reasons why they spec 5w30 in the 2016 versions. If they back spec the < 2016 variants then I wonder if they will state the reason why. This is such a loaded gun debate I am very interested in what Ford has to say about this. The new recommendation is either from 1.) a design change in the 2016 variants 2.) Lubrication issues with 5W-20 3.) The < 2016 engines weren't designed for optimal use with 5W-20. Hopefully it's just an engine design change.
I am all ears on this though!
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
One thing for sure if they do back spec older models to 5W30 it won't be for CAFE credits. The only reason I can see them doing it would be the 5W30 is actually a better choice.
Exactly! Still though, I don't know of any oil related issues in 2011-2016 6.2Ls with 5W-20. There really aren't any issues with that engine period. Lol So I wouldn't be surprised if they don't back-spec older trucks.
One thing for sure if they do back spec older models to 5W30 it won't be for CAFE credits. The only reason I can see them doing it would be the 5W30 is actually a better choice.
Exactly! Still though, I don't know of any oil related issues in 2011-2016 6.2Ls with 5W-20. There really aren't any issues with that engine period. Lol So I wouldn't be surprised if they don't back-spec older trucks.
Originally Posted By: Branson304
That's extremely interesting. I've had three 6.2L Super Dutys. One is a 2011 with 160,000 miles. Always had Motorcraft synthetic blend 5W-20 & it still runs excellent. The 2012 has always had 5W-20 as well. No oil related issues, or any issues at all. I honestly hope they back spec our trucks to 5w30, I'll gladly use it. A thicker oil during heavy towing is never a bad thing.
Why wait for Ford?
That's extremely interesting. I've had three 6.2L Super Dutys. One is a 2011 with 160,000 miles. Always had Motorcraft synthetic blend 5W-20 & it still runs excellent. The 2012 has always had 5W-20 as well. No oil related issues, or any issues at all. I honestly hope they back spec our trucks to 5w30, I'll gladly use it. A thicker oil during heavy towing is never a bad thing.
Why wait for Ford?
Originally Posted By: stower17
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
One thing for sure if they do back spec older models to 5W30 it won't be for CAFE credits. The only reason I can see them doing it would be the 5W30 is actually a better choice.
That's exactly what I was thinking too. I just wonder if Ford will state the reasons why they spec 5w30 in the 2016 versions. If they back spec the < 2016 variants then I wonder if they will state the reason why. This is such a loaded gun debate I am very interested in what Ford has to say about this. The new recommendation is either from 1.) a design change in the 2016 variants 2.) Lubrication issues with 5W-20 3.) The < 2016 engines weren't designed for optimal use with 5W-20. Hopefully it's just an engine design change.
I am all ears on this though!
I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for Ford to state their reasons. I think like much of what goes on in the industry all we can do is guess. In this case I have a feeling why, and it wasn't to boost the slumping sales of 5W30 oil, or boost CAFE credits.
The good news is whatever reason it is, it's good to see they're on top of things.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
One thing for sure if they do back spec older models to 5W30 it won't be for CAFE credits. The only reason I can see them doing it would be the 5W30 is actually a better choice.
That's exactly what I was thinking too. I just wonder if Ford will state the reasons why they spec 5w30 in the 2016 versions. If they back spec the < 2016 variants then I wonder if they will state the reason why. This is such a loaded gun debate I am very interested in what Ford has to say about this. The new recommendation is either from 1.) a design change in the 2016 variants 2.) Lubrication issues with 5W-20 3.) The < 2016 engines weren't designed for optimal use with 5W-20. Hopefully it's just an engine design change.
I am all ears on this though!
I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for Ford to state their reasons. I think like much of what goes on in the industry all we can do is guess. In this case I have a feeling why, and it wasn't to boost the slumping sales of 5W30 oil, or boost CAFE credits.
The good news is whatever reason it is, it's good to see they're on top of things.
Originally Posted By: stower17
Kinda scary, because it will start a war between 5w-20 vs 5w30 again...
I think that war has been raging all along for the past 10+ years. This will just be considered a victory for the 'thick crowd.'
Kinda scary, because it will start a war between 5w-20 vs 5w30 again...
I think that war has been raging all along for the past 10+ years. This will just be considered a victory for the 'thick crowd.'
Volk06: we have the ram 1500&2500's at my work and says in owners manual 5w20
We don't have any Ram 3500's though
Originally Posted By: Ifixyawata
Originally Posted By: stower17
Kinda scary, because it will start a war between 5w-20 vs 5w30 again...
I think that war has been raging all along for the past 10+ years. This will just be considered a victory for the 'thick crowd.'
True. Oh what an interesting day today has turned out to be.
Originally Posted By: stower17
Kinda scary, because it will start a war between 5w-20 vs 5w30 again...
I think that war has been raging all along for the past 10+ years. This will just be considered a victory for the 'thick crowd.'
True. Oh what an interesting day today has turned out to be.
It's good to see Ford coming to their senses.
The difference between 5w30 and 5w20 is about the difference between Coke and Pepsi. It never fails to amaze me how many people really think it makes a actual difference in real world. People will say they run their Fords 200,000 miles on 5w20 and other folks say they ran their Fords 200,000 miles on 5w30 and everybody still believes its the oil.
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Originally Posted By: Branson304
That's extremely interesting. I've had three 6.2L Super Dutys. One is a 2011 with 160,000 miles. Always had Motorcraft synthetic blend 5W-20 & it still runs excellent. The 2012 has always had 5W-20 as well. No oil related issues, or any issues at all. I honestly hope they back spec our trucks to 5w30, I'll gladly use it. A thicker oil during heavy towing is never a bad thing.
Why wait for Ford?
Because. Maybe this is just a design change in the engine for 2017 & 5w30 is the best oil after the design change, while 5W-20 is the best oil for my version of the engine. 5W-20 has been perfectly fine for me so I'm not switching unless Ford says so.
Originally Posted By: Branson304
That's extremely interesting. I've had three 6.2L Super Dutys. One is a 2011 with 160,000 miles. Always had Motorcraft synthetic blend 5W-20 & it still runs excellent. The 2012 has always had 5W-20 as well. No oil related issues, or any issues at all. I honestly hope they back spec our trucks to 5w30, I'll gladly use it. A thicker oil during heavy towing is never a bad thing.
Why wait for Ford?
Because. Maybe this is just a design change in the engine for 2017 & 5w30 is the best oil after the design change, while 5W-20 is the best oil for my version of the engine. 5W-20 has been perfectly fine for me so I'm not switching unless Ford says so.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
The difference between 5w30 and 5w20 is about the difference between Coke and Pepsi. It never fails to amaze me how many people really think it makes a actual difference in real world. People will say they run their Fords 200,000 miles on 5w20 and other folks say they ran their Fords 200,000 miles on 5w30 and everybody still believes its the oil.
Not a good example.
The difference between 5w30 and 5w20 is about the difference between Coke and Pepsi. It never fails to amaze me how many people really think it makes a actual difference in real world. People will say they run their Fords 200,000 miles on 5w20 and other folks say they ran their Fords 200,000 miles on 5w30 and everybody still believes its the oil.
Not a good example.
Originally Posted By: Ifixyawata
Originally Posted By: stower17
Kinda scary, because it will start a war between 5w-20 vs 5w30 again...
I think that war has been raging all along for the past 10+ years. This will just be considered a victory for the 'thick crowd.'
Not if it's a ILSAC 5w30, that's just a 20 weight oil in baggy clothes. Now if they made it an ACEA A3 5w30, that would be different.
Originally Posted By: stower17
Kinda scary, because it will start a war between 5w-20 vs 5w30 again...
I think that war has been raging all along for the past 10+ years. This will just be considered a victory for the 'thick crowd.'
Not if it's a ILSAC 5w30, that's just a 20 weight oil in baggy clothes. Now if they made it an ACEA A3 5w30, that would be different.
Originally Posted By: Branson304
I honestly hope they back spec our trucks to 5w30, I'll gladly use it. A thicker oil during heavy towing is never a bad thing.
???
Originally Posted By: Branson304
Because. Maybe this is just a design change in the engine for 2017 & 5w30 is the best oil after the design change, while 5W-20 is the best oil for my version of the engine. 5W-20 has been perfectly fine for me so I'm not switching unless Ford says so.
I thought you said a thicker oil is good for towing?
I honestly hope they back spec our trucks to 5w30, I'll gladly use it. A thicker oil during heavy towing is never a bad thing.
???
Originally Posted By: Branson304
Because. Maybe this is just a design change in the engine for 2017 & 5w30 is the best oil after the design change, while 5W-20 is the best oil for my version of the engine. 5W-20 has been perfectly fine for me so I'm not switching unless Ford says so.
I thought you said a thicker oil is good for towing?
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Is it in the chassis cabs or all F250/350 applications?
5.4L, 6.8L 2-Valve Econoline
6.2L, 6.8L 3-Valve Super Duty
All applications.
F59 chassis (delivery vans, motorhomes) made the switch last year (from 5w-20 to 5w30), so I'm not surprised to see these follow suit.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
It never fails to amaze me how many people really think it makes a actual difference in real world.
Ford obviously sees a reason to now deviate from their long established practice of recommending 5w-20.
Is it in the chassis cabs or all F250/350 applications?
5.4L, 6.8L 2-Valve Econoline
6.2L, 6.8L 3-Valve Super Duty
All applications.
F59 chassis (delivery vans, motorhomes) made the switch last year (from 5w-20 to 5w30), so I'm not surprised to see these follow suit.
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
It never fails to amaze me how many people really think it makes a actual difference in real world.
Ford obviously sees a reason to now deviate from their long established practice of recommending 5w-20.
Really? I didn't know that... 5.4 3v as well? Because the E-series died recently. I think 2013 was the last year. I have one in our fleet. 2013 E350 V10.
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Originally Posted By: advocate
Really? I didn't know that... 5.4 3v as well? Because the E-series died recently. I think 2013 was the last year. I have one in our fleet. 2013 E350 V10.
E-Series is still in production: http://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/eseries-cutaway/
The changes are not retroactive; 5.4L 3v last appeared in 2014.
Really? I didn't know that... 5.4 3v as well? Because the E-series died recently. I think 2013 was the last year. I have one in our fleet. 2013 E350 V10.
E-Series is still in production: http://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/eseries-cutaway/
The changes are not retroactive; 5.4L 3v last appeared in 2014.
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