First oil change 2011 F150
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Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: Sinker
I had aways heard that synthetic protects better, but I don't really know why. Just wanting to switch to syn because I thought it would be better for my truck, but if conventional is the same I wouldn't mind saving the money.
Protects what? Please note that "synthetic" you can casually buy in North America is not synthetic - but are instead high detergent long(er) service life lubricants. Only some Amsoil products and Redline are high % synthetic base stock oils with the concomant High temp performace or low temp pumpability. Dont buy oil by type but rather the performance of a specific oil and its approval certification. I would never generalize that American "synthetic" offers anything other than maybe a 50% extended service interval but with likely INCREASED wear rate.
ExxonMobil disagrees with you (I'm not surprised and I'm sure nobody else on here is either) as to the benefits of their synthetic products.
Thanks to buster for this information BTW.
And an interesting note about Visom (ExxonMobil's GIII+) as well as the definition of Synthetic in Germany:
Originally Posted By: Sinker
I had aways heard that synthetic protects better, but I don't really know why. Just wanting to switch to syn because I thought it would be better for my truck, but if conventional is the same I wouldn't mind saving the money.
Protects what? Please note that "synthetic" you can casually buy in North America is not synthetic - but are instead high detergent long(er) service life lubricants. Only some Amsoil products and Redline are high % synthetic base stock oils with the concomant High temp performace or low temp pumpability. Dont buy oil by type but rather the performance of a specific oil and its approval certification. I would never generalize that American "synthetic" offers anything other than maybe a 50% extended service interval but with likely INCREASED wear rate.
ExxonMobil disagrees with you (I'm not surprised and I'm sure nobody else on here is either) as to the benefits of their synthetic products.
Thanks to buster for this information BTW.
And an interesting note about Visom (ExxonMobil's GIII+) as well as the definition of Synthetic in Germany:
Congrats on a very nice truck. The 150 is the best pickup on the market, IMO.
5w20 conventionals like Pennzoil conventional, Valvoline conventional, Quaker State Conventional, M5000 are all excellent and should be fine for 5 to 7K OCI @ 70% highway usage. I'd use a Full Synthetic like PP, Synpower, Quaker State Ultimate Durability or Mobil 1 if I were doing 10K OCIs.
If you are doing 3K every 2 weeks you would need to change dino monthly or every 5 weeks. I'd probably go with Mobil 1 every 2 months in that situation. I might even consider Amsoils 25K oil every 4 to 5 months.
Motorcraft makes a great filter but so does Wix and Purolator.
Yes, you can use Full Synthetic right away.
Good Luck with that nice truck.
5w20 conventionals like Pennzoil conventional, Valvoline conventional, Quaker State Conventional, M5000 are all excellent and should be fine for 5 to 7K OCI @ 70% highway usage. I'd use a Full Synthetic like PP, Synpower, Quaker State Ultimate Durability or Mobil 1 if I were doing 10K OCIs.
If you are doing 3K every 2 weeks you would need to change dino monthly or every 5 weeks. I'd probably go with Mobil 1 every 2 months in that situation. I might even consider Amsoils 25K oil every 4 to 5 months.
Motorcraft makes a great filter but so does Wix and Purolator.
Yes, you can use Full Synthetic right away.
Good Luck with that nice truck.
+1 on f150 being best truck on the road period! no way id use dino in it tho! yellow bottle or whatever color....jmo, if atleast id run motorcraft syn blend, but not dino, just an opinon, i mean you spent alot on the truck, spend a bit on oil, and i agree motorcraft filters are good
I'd look into Castrol EDGE 0W20 or 5W20 if you want to run a synthetic. Pennzoil Conventional 5w20 would be my pick.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
ExxonMobil disagrees with you (I'm not surprised and I'm sure nobody else on here is either) as to the benefits of their synthetic products.
Thanks to buster for this information BTW.
I see no relevant data regarding wear rate or inherent lubricity. I did not say that high detergent high TBN retention wouldnt provide a "cleaner" engine. It is good to maintain the ring land cleanliness (and avoid ring sticking) to insure better cylinder balance and power. Nice photos for marketing purposes though
ExxonMobil disagrees with you (I'm not surprised and I'm sure nobody else on here is either) as to the benefits of their synthetic products.
Thanks to buster for this information BTW.
I see no relevant data regarding wear rate or inherent lubricity. I did not say that high detergent high TBN retention wouldnt provide a "cleaner" engine. It is good to maintain the ring land cleanliness (and avoid ring sticking) to insure better cylinder balance and power. Nice photos for marketing purposes though
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: Sinker
I had aways heard that synthetic protects better, but I don't really know why. Just wanting to switch to syn because I thought it would be better for my truck, but if conventional is the same I wouldn't mind saving the money.
Protects what? Please note that "synthetic" you can casually buy in North America is not synthetic - but are instead high detergent long(er) service life lubricants. Only some Amsoil products and Redline are high % synthetic base stock oils with the concomant High temp performace or low temp pumpability. Dont buy oil by type but rather the performance of a specific oil and its approval certification. I would never generalize that American "synthetic" offers anything other than maybe a 50% extended service interval but with likely INCREASED wear rate.
Can you elaborate a little more? INCREASED wear as compared to what?
Originally Posted By: Sinker
I had aways heard that synthetic protects better, but I don't really know why. Just wanting to switch to syn because I thought it would be better for my truck, but if conventional is the same I wouldn't mind saving the money.
Protects what? Please note that "synthetic" you can casually buy in North America is not synthetic - but are instead high detergent long(er) service life lubricants. Only some Amsoil products and Redline are high % synthetic base stock oils with the concomant High temp performace or low temp pumpability. Dont buy oil by type but rather the performance of a specific oil and its approval certification. I would never generalize that American "synthetic" offers anything other than maybe a 50% extended service interval but with likely INCREASED wear rate.
Can you elaborate a little more? INCREASED wear as compared to what?
Originally Posted By: hate2work
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
with likely INCREASED wear rate.
So if I run Pennzoil Platinum Plus / Pennzoil Ultra / Castrol Edge to 7500 miles instead of the factory recommended 5000 miles, my engine will suffer increased wear?
Depending on individual chemistry and formulation, the surface competition between detegent and AW and Ester/AN could show increased wear - absolutely. Your savior would be that over an extended interval the detergency will be come depleted and the wear rate will decrease. A Good dino with modest and appropriate TBN retention should provide a lower wear rate over a std 5K interval vs. a high TBN "synthetic" group III/PAO blend oil. An 8k OCI would most likely be the break-even point regarding wear running a high detergency "synthetic". This is an old lesson, data driven. The big mistake would be using a high detergency "synthetic" and changing out early thinking you are doing your engine a benefit. You would most likely have a very clean engine but shortened service life due to high wear rate.
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
with likely INCREASED wear rate.
So if I run Pennzoil Platinum Plus / Pennzoil Ultra / Castrol Edge to 7500 miles instead of the factory recommended 5000 miles, my engine will suffer increased wear?
Depending on individual chemistry and formulation, the surface competition between detegent and AW and Ester/AN could show increased wear - absolutely. Your savior would be that over an extended interval the detergency will be come depleted and the wear rate will decrease. A Good dino with modest and appropriate TBN retention should provide a lower wear rate over a std 5K interval vs. a high TBN "synthetic" group III/PAO blend oil. An 8k OCI would most likely be the break-even point regarding wear running a high detergency "synthetic". This is an old lesson, data driven. The big mistake would be using a high detergency "synthetic" and changing out early thinking you are doing your engine a benefit. You would most likely have a very clean engine but shortened service life due to high wear rate.
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Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: hate2work
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
with likely INCREASED wear rate.
So if I run Pennzoil Platinum Plus / Pennzoil Ultra / Castrol Edge to 7500 miles instead of the factory recommended 5000 miles, my engine will suffer increased wear?
Depending on individual chemistry and formulation, the surface competition between detegent and AW and Ester/AN could show increased wear - absolutely. Your savior would be that over an extended interval the detergency will be come depleted and the wear rate will decrease. A Good dino with modest and appropriate TBN retention should provide a lower wear rate over a std 5K interval vs. a high TBN "synthetic" group III/PAO blend oil. An 8k OCI would most likely be the break-even point regarding wear running a high detergency "synthetic". This is an old lesson, data driven. The big mistake would be using a high detergency "synthetic" and changing out early thinking you are doing your engine a benefit. You would most likely have a very clean engine but shortened service life due to high wear rate.
What data do you have to back this up? I've only read this on BITOG and if I'm not mistaken just in your posts. Not being smart, just don't understand how changing out a PP or Mobil 1 at 5000 is going to harm my engine.
Originally Posted By: hate2work
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
with likely INCREASED wear rate.
So if I run Pennzoil Platinum Plus / Pennzoil Ultra / Castrol Edge to 7500 miles instead of the factory recommended 5000 miles, my engine will suffer increased wear?
Depending on individual chemistry and formulation, the surface competition between detegent and AW and Ester/AN could show increased wear - absolutely. Your savior would be that over an extended interval the detergency will be come depleted and the wear rate will decrease. A Good dino with modest and appropriate TBN retention should provide a lower wear rate over a std 5K interval vs. a high TBN "synthetic" group III/PAO blend oil. An 8k OCI would most likely be the break-even point regarding wear running a high detergency "synthetic". This is an old lesson, data driven. The big mistake would be using a high detergency "synthetic" and changing out early thinking you are doing your engine a benefit. You would most likely have a very clean engine but shortened service life due to high wear rate.
What data do you have to back this up? I've only read this on BITOG and if I'm not mistaken just in your posts. Not being smart, just don't understand how changing out a PP or Mobil 1 at 5000 is going to harm my engine.
Congrats on the new wheels. I've got an '09, a real step up from the '87 F250 it replaced.
If you want to run synthetic, go for it. My personal opinion is that as long as you use a warranty approved oil from a major manufacturer, the engine in that baby will be the last piece of the vehicle to wear out. I personally use PetroCanada dino or Motorcraft 5W20 on mine, and a good ol' FL820S, and hope to keep this rig as long as the last one.
Good luck
If you want to run synthetic, go for it. My personal opinion is that as long as you use a warranty approved oil from a major manufacturer, the engine in that baby will be the last piece of the vehicle to wear out. I personally use PetroCanada dino or Motorcraft 5W20 on mine, and a good ol' FL820S, and hope to keep this rig as long as the last one.
Good luck
i vote motorcraft and filter with what ever the manual says change at. its cheap and ford recommends it
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: Sinker
I had aways heard that synthetic protects better, but I don't really know why. Just wanting to switch to syn because I thought it would be better for my truck, but if conventional is the same I wouldn't mind saving the money.
Protects what? Please note that "synthetic" you can casually buy in North America is not synthetic - but are instead high detergent long(er) service life lubricants. Only some Amsoil products and Redline are high % synthetic base stock oils with the concomant High temp performace or low temp pumpability. Dont buy oil by type but rather the performance of a specific oil and its approval certification. I would never generalize that American "synthetic" offers anything other than maybe a 50% extended service interval but with likely INCREASED wear rate.
oh my... synthetics will wear you engine out???
Originally Posted By: Sinker
I had aways heard that synthetic protects better, but I don't really know why. Just wanting to switch to syn because I thought it would be better for my truck, but if conventional is the same I wouldn't mind saving the money.
Protects what? Please note that "synthetic" you can casually buy in North America is not synthetic - but are instead high detergent long(er) service life lubricants. Only some Amsoil products and Redline are high % synthetic base stock oils with the concomant High temp performace or low temp pumpability. Dont buy oil by type but rather the performance of a specific oil and its approval certification. I would never generalize that American "synthetic" offers anything other than maybe a 50% extended service interval but with likely INCREASED wear rate.
oh my... synthetics will wear you engine out???
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Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
ExxonMobil disagrees with you (I'm not surprised and I'm sure nobody else on here is either) as to the benefits of their synthetic products.
Thanks to buster for this information BTW.
I see no relevant data regarding wear rate or inherent lubricity. I did not say that high detergent high TBN retention wouldnt provide a "cleaner" engine. It is good to maintain the ring land cleanliness (and avoid ring sticking) to insure better cylinder balance and power. Nice photos for marketing purposes though
A wear-rate one:
And yes, they are some nice photos. And I quite like the deposit control testing, as it parallels my real-world results with the product.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
ExxonMobil disagrees with you (I'm not surprised and I'm sure nobody else on here is either) as to the benefits of their synthetic products.
Thanks to buster for this information BTW.
I see no relevant data regarding wear rate or inherent lubricity. I did not say that high detergent high TBN retention wouldnt provide a "cleaner" engine. It is good to maintain the ring land cleanliness (and avoid ring sticking) to insure better cylinder balance and power. Nice photos for marketing purposes though
A wear-rate one:
And yes, they are some nice photos. And I quite like the deposit control testing, as it parallels my real-world results with the product.
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Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: hate2work
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
with likely INCREASED wear rate.
So if I run Pennzoil Platinum Plus / Pennzoil Ultra / Castrol Edge to 7500 miles instead of the factory recommended 5000 miles, my engine will suffer increased wear?
Depending on individual chemistry and formulation, the surface competition between detegent and AW and Ester/AN could show increased wear - absolutely. Your savior would be that over an extended interval the detergency will be come depleted and the wear rate will decrease. A Good dino with modest and appropriate TBN retention should provide a lower wear rate over a std 5K interval vs. a high TBN "synthetic" group III/PAO blend oil. An 8k OCI would most likely be the break-even point regarding wear running a high detergency "synthetic". This is an old lesson, data driven. The big mistake would be using a high detergency "synthetic" and changing out early thinking you are doing your engine a benefit. You would most likely have a very clean engine but shortened service life due to high wear rate.
What data do you have to back this up?
A few questions:
1. What is the LONGEST you've ever had an engine last?
2. What is the longest you've run an engine without ANY sort of mechanical problems?
3. What is the longest you've run synthetic oil in an engine for (total duration, not OCI)?
4. What kind of back-to-back wear-rate testing have you PERSONALLY done with Synthetic and conventional oils to validate your above statements/claims?
I feel obligated to address this because you make statements like the above frequently and without any basis on this board. Yet you have by your own admission killed more engines on this board than probably the rest of us combined. Engines from almost every manufacturer, am I correct? As this is what you've stated in the past, and said it was due to the abuse inflicted upon the vehicle by your own driving habits.
So if you've never actually accrued any insanely high mileage on ANY oil because you can't seem to keep an engine together long enough to glean any sort of real data, and you change oil brands frequently and bounce from products like Castrol Edge to Snowblower oil, then it really begs the question as to how you can make such statements, and do so with the conviction and absolutism that you've done so in this thread if you lack any REAL data other than your own opinion to back it up.
I've got limited experience here myself. But both of my examples are in fact high mileage on synthetic. One exclusively on Mobil 1, making 100HP more than stock, getting beat on like a red-headed step-child and the oil has managed to:
1. Keep it clean.
2. Keep it mechanically healthy.
This is verifiable via internal photos, the fact that it has 38psi of oil pressure hot at idle. Which is within "new" spec for the engine and measured via a mechanical Autometer gauge. As well as the fact that there is no ring ridge in the cylinders and visible cross-hatching in the bores with no scoring or wear marks at all.
And this is an engine with 330,000 HARD Km's on it.
Then we have Doug Hillary's Detroit Diesel fleet test using Delvac 1 with the 1.3 million Km tear-down pictures and measurements that were "within new" spec. And this is running OCI's that were close to 100,000Km's...... in 500HP diesel engines.
So if you really have some FACTUAL data to bring to the table that you can use to support your statements, I am really all ears!
I'm not trying to be rude. Just politely asking you to back up what you've been stating.
Originally Posted By: hate2work
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
with likely INCREASED wear rate.
So if I run Pennzoil Platinum Plus / Pennzoil Ultra / Castrol Edge to 7500 miles instead of the factory recommended 5000 miles, my engine will suffer increased wear?
Depending on individual chemistry and formulation, the surface competition between detegent and AW and Ester/AN could show increased wear - absolutely. Your savior would be that over an extended interval the detergency will be come depleted and the wear rate will decrease. A Good dino with modest and appropriate TBN retention should provide a lower wear rate over a std 5K interval vs. a high TBN "synthetic" group III/PAO blend oil. An 8k OCI would most likely be the break-even point regarding wear running a high detergency "synthetic". This is an old lesson, data driven. The big mistake would be using a high detergency "synthetic" and changing out early thinking you are doing your engine a benefit. You would most likely have a very clean engine but shortened service life due to high wear rate.
What data do you have to back this up?
A few questions:
1. What is the LONGEST you've ever had an engine last?
2. What is the longest you've run an engine without ANY sort of mechanical problems?
3. What is the longest you've run synthetic oil in an engine for (total duration, not OCI)?
4. What kind of back-to-back wear-rate testing have you PERSONALLY done with Synthetic and conventional oils to validate your above statements/claims?
I feel obligated to address this because you make statements like the above frequently and without any basis on this board. Yet you have by your own admission killed more engines on this board than probably the rest of us combined. Engines from almost every manufacturer, am I correct? As this is what you've stated in the past, and said it was due to the abuse inflicted upon the vehicle by your own driving habits.
So if you've never actually accrued any insanely high mileage on ANY oil because you can't seem to keep an engine together long enough to glean any sort of real data, and you change oil brands frequently and bounce from products like Castrol Edge to Snowblower oil, then it really begs the question as to how you can make such statements, and do so with the conviction and absolutism that you've done so in this thread if you lack any REAL data other than your own opinion to back it up.
I've got limited experience here myself. But both of my examples are in fact high mileage on synthetic. One exclusively on Mobil 1, making 100HP more than stock, getting beat on like a red-headed step-child and the oil has managed to:
1. Keep it clean.
2. Keep it mechanically healthy.
This is verifiable via internal photos, the fact that it has 38psi of oil pressure hot at idle. Which is within "new" spec for the engine and measured via a mechanical Autometer gauge. As well as the fact that there is no ring ridge in the cylinders and visible cross-hatching in the bores with no scoring or wear marks at all.
And this is an engine with 330,000 HARD Km's on it.
Then we have Doug Hillary's Detroit Diesel fleet test using Delvac 1 with the 1.3 million Km tear-down pictures and measurements that were "within new" spec. And this is running OCI's that were close to 100,000Km's...... in 500HP diesel engines.
So if you really have some FACTUAL data to bring to the table that you can use to support your statements, I am really all ears!
I'm not trying to be rude. Just politely asking you to back up what you've been stating.
I would use the Motorcraft syn blend GF-5 and Motorcraft filter. Good and easily available products. You said that it has a 10,000 mile OCI per the manual. What is the severe schedule in months and miles on your new Ford? and months for the regular schedule?
Originally Posted By: oilstudent24
I would use the Motorcraft syn blend GF-5 and Motorcraft filter. Good and easily available products. You said that it has a 10,000 mile OCI per the manual. What is the severe schedule in months and miles on your new Ford? and months for the regular schedule?
I didn't see anything when I was reading. The only thing I saw was to follow the computer in the dash. It's supposed to tell you when to change the oil. It says I have 71% left now.
Thanks for the compliments about the truck guys!
I would use the Motorcraft syn blend GF-5 and Motorcraft filter. Good and easily available products. You said that it has a 10,000 mile OCI per the manual. What is the severe schedule in months and miles on your new Ford? and months for the regular schedule?
I didn't see anything when I was reading. The only thing I saw was to follow the computer in the dash. It's supposed to tell you when to change the oil. It says I have 71% left now.
Thanks for the compliments about the truck guys!
Originally Posted By: Sinker
I've had the truck for about 2 weeks now and have been doing lots of traveling and have about 3,100 miles so I figure its about time for the first oil change. I've driven a diesel the last 5 years so I feel kinda new to the gas world again.
Vehicle is a 2011 F150 with the 5.0 owner's manual says 10k mile intervals and use SAE 5w-20 oil
Usually drive 70% highway and 30% city stay around the speed limit on the highways around here 65-75. Pull a 18ft duck hunting boat or 20ft bass boat at least once a week. Wouldn't say I drive it real hard, but I'm not easy on it for sure.
I was thinking of using Valvoline synthetic or the Motorcraft oil. What oil brands would you guys recommend? Is it alright for me to use synthetic oil or should I wait till I have more miles on the motor?
Sinker,
If it were my truck I'd change it at the 5K mileage interval instead of the 3K instead. That way it half way between you 10K OCI time interval. Then put in a synthetic oil of your choosing. Since it a Ford you should know that Motorcraft is anexcellent oil to use. For myself in my 08' Chevy Impala SS I always go by what my OLM monitor tells me. When it's time for an oil change then I know to make an appointment with the dealership cuz it's still under warranty. If you manual indicates you can go 10K oil changes then it's super easy to change every 5K instead of the usual 3K or 3500K of the past. Most if not all conventional oil will handle 5K changes by itself but the synthetic is a cushion for you.
Durango
I've had the truck for about 2 weeks now and have been doing lots of traveling and have about 3,100 miles so I figure its about time for the first oil change. I've driven a diesel the last 5 years so I feel kinda new to the gas world again.
Vehicle is a 2011 F150 with the 5.0 owner's manual says 10k mile intervals and use SAE 5w-20 oil
Usually drive 70% highway and 30% city stay around the speed limit on the highways around here 65-75. Pull a 18ft duck hunting boat or 20ft bass boat at least once a week. Wouldn't say I drive it real hard, but I'm not easy on it for sure.
I was thinking of using Valvoline synthetic or the Motorcraft oil. What oil brands would you guys recommend? Is it alright for me to use synthetic oil or should I wait till I have more miles on the motor?
Sinker,
If it were my truck I'd change it at the 5K mileage interval instead of the 3K instead. That way it half way between you 10K OCI time interval. Then put in a synthetic oil of your choosing. Since it a Ford you should know that Motorcraft is anexcellent oil to use. For myself in my 08' Chevy Impala SS I always go by what my OLM monitor tells me. When it's time for an oil change then I know to make an appointment with the dealership cuz it's still under warranty. If you manual indicates you can go 10K oil changes then it's super easy to change every 5K instead of the usual 3K or 3500K of the past. Most if not all conventional oil will handle 5K changes by itself but the synthetic is a cushion for you.
Durango
When I eventually get one of these 5.0L engines it will getting a 5W-20 with a HTHS viscosity above 3.0 or a 0W-30.
With the 5.0 you may not want to drop the factory fill before 5K, as the 5.0L Mustangs (unlike all other Fords) came with a special [graphite?] break-in additive added to the factory fill oil. I know it sounds like crazy talk, but it's true.
With the 5.0 you may not want to drop the factory fill before 5K, as the 5.0L Mustangs (unlike all other Fords) came with a special [graphite?] break-in additive added to the factory fill oil. I know it sounds like crazy talk, but it's true.
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