First oil change 2011 F150

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
When I eventually get one of these 5.0L engines it will getting a 5W-20 with a HTHS viscosity above 3.0 or a 0W-30.

With the 5.0 you may not want to drop the factory fill before 5K, as the 5.0L Mustangs (unlike all other Fords) came with a special [graphite?] break-in additive added to the factory fill oil. I know it sounds like crazy talk, but it's true.


Why is that? Isn't MC 5-20 2.6 -2.7? Is there a 20 wt oil with a HTHS of 3.0? I believe Mobil 1 5w20 Extended Protection is 2.7.

 

[Durango]

Originally Posted By: Sinker
Why would you wait till 5k? I was thinking 3k would be good the first time to get some of the metal shavings out after break in?


Sinker,

The only reason is based upon the easier to do OCI's in the half(5K)mark instead of doing it at 3K. If your scared about the new metal shavings issue then I would figure your oil filter should take care of that. The other area of concer is your warranty perion. If anything goes wrong with the motor some dealerships can argue that you changed the oil too soon and didn't allow the motor to break in properly. I hope this never happens to you of course but here in my area some dealerships can be problematic.

You might check with the dealership you bought your truck and ask them if it's OK to change the oil out at your prefered interval. If they give the OK tnen take his name as a reference just in case.

Durango

 

[chevrofreak]

Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
When I eventually get one of these 5.0L engines it will getting a 5W-20 with a HTHS viscosity above 3.0 or a 0W-30.

With the 5.0 you may not want to drop the factory fill before 5K, as the 5.0L Mustangs (unlike all other Fords) came with a special [graphite?] break-in additive added to the factory fill oil. I know it sounds like crazy talk, but it's true.


Why is that? Isn't MC 5-20 2.6 -2.7? Is there a 20 wt oil with a HTHS of 3.0? I believe Mobil 1 5w20 Extended Protection is 2.7.


Red Line 5w-20 is 3.3

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: kcfx4
+1 on f150 being best truck on the road period! no way id use dino in it tho! yellow bottle or whatever color....jmo, if atleast id run motorcraft syn blend, but not dino, just an opinon, i mean you spent alot on the truck, spend a bit on oil, and i agree motorcraft filters are good


Do you even know why MC is a syn blend?

 

[Drew2000]

FWIW. I have the (similar) 5.0l on my '11 Mustang. Changed the factory fill at 3000 miles after a break-in of constantly varying engine RPM's and some WOT runs.

Glad I did....opening up the oil filter revealed some left-over casting sand and other "schmutz". I'm running Pennz. Platinum 5w30 (had it in stock) and a PurOne filter. Engine runs fantastic and quiet. The factory oil filter looks like a Wix (NAPA Gold) and is a bit longer than the FL500S. Very robust and good looking filter...I think I'm going to run the Wix on the next change.

I would use the OLM/1 year as a guide (engine has a 8-qt sump) and run a quality synthetic w/ Motorcraft or Wix filter.

PS...there is internet speculation about "break-in" additives from the factory for this engine family. There is NO mention either in the owners manual or factory service manual mentioning this, or cautioning against early oil changes. If this was the case, I'm sure ford would indicate this in print or a TSB.

 

[SteveSRT8]

The [censored] in the filter is normal, and exactly where it should be!

You do know it went through the oil pump (and more) to get there? I'm really surprised at Ford for having casting sand in its new 5.0, as I've recently had the filters off 3 GMC trucks and my 6.1 Chrysler and nary a speck was found on the first oil change in any of them.

The speculation about break in additives is not just [censored], it is true of many engines. We no longer change them early as it is simply a waste and in no way harms the engines.

 

[Alex38]

What kind of mileage are you getting with that new F150? Is it 2 or 4 wheel drive? What rear end gear? Been thinking of getting one myself, I'm about ready for a new truck, and had been leaning toward that 5.0. Not sure I want a Turbo V6 until they've been out a few years.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL

A few questions:

1. What is the LONGEST you've ever had an engine last? AG: Irrelevant
2. What is the longest you've run an engine without ANY sort of mechanical problems? Irrelevant.
3. What is the longest you've run synthetic oil in an engine for (total duration, not OCI)? Irrelevant
4. What kind of back-to-back wear-rate testing have you PERSONALLY done with Synthetic and conventional oils to validate your above statements/claims? Irrelevant.
Irrelevant. As is the vacuum sales parlor-trick data "advertisement" presented by EoM. Any Engineer or statistician would puke all over that so called data; especially noticable to the layperson will be the "doctored" lighting in the piston photos (overexposed for the supposedly superior Mobil Product). Not saying the Mobil oil is a bad product - just the DATA is irrelevant. Again, as I stated previously: GO BY SPECIFICATION LIST and Certification. Mobil 1 0W-40 is a spec-rich oil and one of the best on the market under 7 bucks a qt. No Big Quibble there. AFA wear rate is question, GM and Ford did oil tests (with the white paper excerpts presented many times on BITOG) that show USED oil provides a lower wear rate than new. Also, It is well know in racing circles (and by experienced tribologist) that high detergency contradicts antiwear (Go to the Brad Penn site). I mentioned changing oil out EARLY as not beneficial to longevity - I'm sure your (statistically irrelevant) high mileage engine didnt have overly short 3-4K mile OCI with high detergent, high TBN synthetics. I also did not state the increased wear impact - could be 10%, could be 30%. That would still put you over 200K miles service life.
I will question your agenda by prominently posting and defending EoM products to a zealous degree. Whats up with that? Hopefully you are just an excited EoM fanboy and not a Big Oil Co. stooge posing under a Sheeps pelt. And no, none of have much relevent data to share as the automanufacturers and oil cos play these card close to their vest. Some of the university studies that habve been "leaked" are eye opening. I always encourage all to do your OWN comprehensive research - dont go by anything you've read on the web without cross-checking. That would be lunacy.

 

[Sinker]

Originally Posted By: Alex38
What kind of mileage are you getting with that new F150? Is it 2 or 4 wheel drive? What rear end gear? Been thinking of getting one myself, I'm about ready for a new truck, and had been leaning toward that 5.0. Not sure I want a Turbo V6 until they've been out a few years.


It's 4x4 with a 3.73 rear end and I've been getting around 17-18 on the highway going between 70 and 75. When I kept it around 60 or 65 I got just over 19. Overall I love the truck shifts are really smooth and the truck has plenty of power at all speeds. Passing on 2 lane highways is much easier/safer in this truck than my old 2001 f150. You won't be disappointed!

 

[Alex38]

Thanks for the info! I've been trying to decide between a new F150 and a Tundra. Both are darn nice trucks. I wanted a new 3/4 ton diesel, but I can't believe how much they want for them, even the used ones. But it's amazing how these new 350+ horsepower V8's in the half tons get as good of mileage as the V6 in my S10! One of those would be just fine for pulling my boats and trailers.

 

[tsduke]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL

A few questions:

1. What is the LONGEST you've ever had an engine last? AG: Irrelevant
2. What is the longest you've run an engine without ANY sort of mechanical problems? Irrelevant.
3. What is the longest you've run synthetic oil in an engine for (total duration, not OCI)? Irrelevant
4. What kind of back-to-back wear-rate testing have you PERSONALLY done with Synthetic and conventional oils to validate your above statements/claims? Irrelevant.
Irrelevant. As is the vacuum sales parlor-trick data "advertisement" presented by EoM. Any Engineer or statistician would puke all over that so called data; especially noticable to the layperson will be the "doctored" lighting in the piston photos (overexposed for the supposedly superior Mobil Product). Not saying the Mobil oil is a bad product - just the DATA is irrelevant. Again, as I stated previously: GO BY SPECIFICATION LIST and Certification. Mobil 1 0W-40 is a spec-rich oil and one of the best on the market under 7 bucks a qt. No Big Quibble there. AFA wear rate is question, GM and Ford did oil tests (with the white paper excerpts presented many times on BITOG) that show USED oil provides a lower wear rate than new. Also, It is well know in racing circles (and by experienced tribologist) that high detergency contradicts antiwear (Go to the Brad Penn site). I mentioned changing oil out EARLY as not beneficial to longevity - I'm sure your (statistically irrelevant) high mileage engine didnt have overly short 3-4K mile OCI with high detergent, high TBN synthetics. I also did not state the increased wear impact - could be 10%, could be 30%. That would still put you over 200K miles service life.
I will question your agenda by prominently posting and defending EoM products to a zealous degree. Whats up with that? Hopefully you are just an excited EoM fanboy and not a Big Oil Co. stooge posing under a Sheeps pelt. And no, none of have much relevent data to share as the automanufacturers and oil cos play these card close to their vest. Some of the university studies that habve been "leaked" are eye opening. I always encourage all to do your OWN comprehensive research - dont go by anything you've read on the web without cross-checking. That would be lunacy.



What do you have to proof the a PP, Mobil 1, Valvoline Synthetic, etc, will cause more wear to my engine on a 5000 mile OCI vs dyno???

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Irrelevant. As is the vacuum sales parlor-trick data "advertisement" presented by EoM. Any Engineer or statistician would puke all over that so called data; especially noticable to the layperson will be the "doctored" lighting in the piston photos (overexposed for the supposedly superior Mobil Product). Not saying the Mobil oil is a bad product - just the DATA is irrelevant. Again, as I stated previously: GO BY SPECIFICATION LIST and Certification. Mobil 1 0W-40 is a spec-rich oil and one of the best on the market under 7 bucks a qt. No Big Quibble there. AFA wear rate is question, GM and Ford did oil tests (with the white paper excerpts presented many times on BITOG) that show USED oil provides a lower wear rate than new. Also, It is well know in racing circles (and by experienced tribologist) that high detergency contradicts antiwear (Go to the Brad Penn site). I mentioned changing oil out EARLY as not beneficial to longevity - I'm sure your (statistically irrelevant) high mileage engine didnt have overly short 3-4K mile OCI with high detergent, high TBN synthetics. I also did not state the increased wear impact - could be 10%, could be 30%. That would still put you over 200K miles service life.
I will question your agenda by prominently posting and defending EoM products to a zealous degree. Whats up with that? Hopefully you are just an excited EoM fanboy and not a Big Oil Co. stooge posing under a Sheeps pelt. And no, none of have much relevent data to share as the automanufacturers and oil cos play these card close to their vest. Some of the university studies that habve been "leaked" are eye opening. I always encourage all to do your OWN comprehensive research - dont go by anything you've read on the web without cross-checking. That would be lunacy.



My agenda?

LOL!

Well now! My statistically irrelevant data is still more than you've provided at this point, wouldn't you agree?

My issue stems from this statement:

Quote:
I would never generalize that American "synthetic" offers anything other than maybe a 50% extended service interval but with likely INCREASED wear rate.


But then you've stated this:

Quote:
Mobil 1 0W-40 is a spec-rich oil and one of the best on the market under 7 bucks a qt. No Big Quibble there.


So when I buy Mobil 1 0w40 at Canadian Tire, it is then an "American Synthetic", is it not? Now before you reply, I am aware, that, like GC, it is a "Euro spec" oil, but so are many of Mobil's other oils.... They all have a number of Euro-specs. The 0w40 of course is the most decorated due to its brand affiliations.

Mobil changed (I believe the transformation completed from what I recall reading recently) to a global product line. Meaning that the oils we buy here are the same as those sold in Europe that share the same name. They are the same as those sold in Australia. And everywhere else in the world.

So at least as far as Mobil goes, making the distinction regarding North American oils is what is truly irrelevant. Though I do believe it applies to a few of their peers who still vary their products between continents.

I don't think I am defending ExxonMobil in a manner one would call zealous. I have no affiliation with the company, just roughly 15 years experience with their product in a host of Ford engines with good results. So when somebody starts tossing around terms like "increased wear" without any data to back it up.... It makes me ask questions. Questions which you seem to feel are irrelevant, but I don't think are. I'm sure many on this board are keen to read up on other people's real-life experience with a product. I know I am! But your experience, as far as I can tell, is just a bunch of broken engines.... regardless of the oil. Yes, you've made reference to "leaked" studies... but state that there isn't much relevant data due to the oil companies and auto manufacturers being secretive? And if this is the case, then what more than paper spec's and our personal experience that we share in this forum do we have to go by?

BTW, I'm already over that 200,000 miles of service life

And she's got no signs of slowing down any time soon, LOL! So I'm not sure how that's measured.... If it is "like new" at 200,000 miles, then is it just going to magically start degrading?

Oh, and to answer your question, the oils were likely high(er) TBN, OCI's were 10-12,000Km; 6200-7500 miles. I have run every grade from 0w20 to 5w50 in it. Currently has 5w40 in it IIRC.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL

Oh, and to answer your question, the oils were likely high(er) TBN, OCI's were 10-12,000Km; 6200-7500 miles. I have run every grade from 0w20 to 5w50 in it. Currently has 5w40 in it IIRC.
There you go - I said thats the wear break even point. No argument there. I'm just cautioning newbies about changing out 'marginal' group iii "synthetic" or REAL synthetics at short intervals is to not benefit engine wear. I would guess you might agree there. I am not a high miler - I beat the Hades out of my (commmuter) cars using up all the horespower and cornering potential then trade them early (40-60K) usually due to overstressed transaxle. My wife TRIES to get high mileage out of her mini 'utes, but either the engine or everything else conspires to make it a junker (or money magnet)in less than 130K miles (but she's owned a lot of Suzukis which are bottom of the market segment cars). Her cars are dealer maintained by the book. Cars are ungaraged and get months of sub-zero cold starts and 70+ MPH interstate commutes daily in excess of 30 miles one way. The only cars Ive tried to keep a long time were my mid sixties Buicks and Chevys and my Zastava Fiat clone. Some college kids overturned my tomato red Zastava and rolled it down an embankment almost onto the parkway ;(

 

[Drew2000]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
The [censored] in the filter is normal, and exactly where it should be!

You do know it went through the oil pump (and more) to get there? I'm really surprised at Ford for having casting sand in its new 5.0, as I've recently had the filters off 3 GMC trucks and my 6.1 Chrysler and nary a speck was found on the first oil change in any of them.
...


On closer examination, it's not sand, but very fine metal swarf that clumped together...it's ferrous (magnetic) so probably from the timing chains/gears wearing in.

 

[dave1251]

Use any GF-5 5w-20 certified PCMO for a 7-10K OCI Ford did a lot of work to use a 10K OCI on conventional oil. Your 5.0 will outlast the rest of the truck. How many cars and trucks on are the road that do not even get half of this maintance with over 100,000 miles?