Are cross reference sites like this one: http://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/ taking filter micron size or pressure into account or just physical size and fit. I guess at least they're pointing you in the right direction. Wish I could find more information on filters, seems next to nothing listed on most packaging and websites except it fits this and that. I want more information, kinda frustrating but, how many failures are from filters??? Guess that's why I only bought factory before the internet. Last few years I only bought k&n but, a post a few days ago has me questioning the Chinese manufacturing now. Bought Fram before that but, rumors of poor construction led me away from them. I run Red Line or Mobil 1 in my bikes, hate the thought of [censored] filtering of top shelf oil.
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A cross-referenced filter is one that physically fits. Beyond that it's not certain if any matched filter meets the same specs. Since finding the specs ranges from a lookup to absolutely impossible you need to be careful. Or like most people, pick one, swear by it, claim it works the best and your search is done. That what I did.
I stick with Mobil 1 for my 4Runner and NAPA Gold for my Honda. I have no idea if they are the best but they have a good reputation, look good inside and out and I don't mind paying a few bucks more for what I perceive as good quality. Changing oil is something I do my self and the overall cost is not a big deal. I spend a bit extra for oil as well. I won't use a "white box" filter or a discount brand.
I stick with Mobil 1 for my 4Runner and NAPA Gold for my Honda. I have no idea if they are the best but they have a good reputation, look good inside and out and I don't mind paying a few bucks more for what I perceive as good quality. Changing oil is something I do my self and the overall cost is not a big deal. I spend a bit extra for oil as well. I won't use a "white box" filter or a discount brand.
Originally Posted By: Bushshaker
Are cross reference sites like this one: http://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/ taking filter micron size or pressure into account or just physical size and fit. I guess at least they're pointing you in the right direction. Wish I could find more information on filters, seems next to nothing listed on most packaging and websites except it fits this and that. I want more information, kinda frustrating but, how many failures are from filters???
Just physical size, gasket and thread.
It is not possible to include efficiency and bypass pressure, because some manufactures don't publish those data.
Are cross reference sites like this one: http://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/ taking filter micron size or pressure into account or just physical size and fit. I guess at least they're pointing you in the right direction. Wish I could find more information on filters, seems next to nothing listed on most packaging and websites except it fits this and that. I want more information, kinda frustrating but, how many failures are from filters???
Just physical size, gasket and thread.
It is not possible to include efficiency and bypass pressure, because some manufactures don't publish those data.
Failures caused by oil filter used must be exceedingly rare.
What do you want from an oil filter?
Most of us like the idea of high filtering efficiency along with proven ability to hold up in service.
There are a number of filters out there that fit the bill.
Most oil filter maker websites give efficiency figures.
The oil filter sub forum here will give you a look at how a number of different filters hold up in service.
Just select some reasonable combination of durability, filtering efficiency and cost and rest easy that you're using a product that will do well by your engines.
There are probably better choices in terms of price and value than a K&N, although I do have an older one on one of the cars ATM.
What do you want from an oil filter?
Most of us like the idea of high filtering efficiency along with proven ability to hold up in service.
There are a number of filters out there that fit the bill.
Most oil filter maker websites give efficiency figures.
The oil filter sub forum here will give you a look at how a number of different filters hold up in service.
Just select some reasonable combination of durability, filtering efficiency and cost and rest easy that you're using a product that will do well by your engines.
There are probably better choices in terms of price and value than a K&N, although I do have an older one on one of the cars ATM.
I know what you mean about the lack of info on some filters. Here's some of the stuff I've discovered. I have an '89 Electra Glide. The Purolator M/C specific filter is a ML16822.
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/resources/Popup/Pages/PartDetailPopup.aspx?partnum=Ml16822
I have used a a Purolator Classic L10241 with great results.
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/resources/Popup/Pages/PartDetailPopup.aspx?partnum=L10241
You'll notice all the listed specs are the same, i.e.: relief valve setting, height, thread size, etc.
Now let's look at Fram. Fram lists the PH6022 as the M/C specific filter for my bike.
http://www.framcatalog.com/PartDetailWindow.aspx?b=F&pn=PH6022
Notice however, the PH3614, has the same specs: relief valve setting, threads, diameter, etc.
http://www.framcatalog.com/PartDetail.aspx?b=F&pn=PH3614
At a glance, they both list STP S3614 as a suitable substitute. There may be others, but I didn't examine the whole list. Also, in the case of Fram, the last 4 numbers stay the same, it's the first two letters that change. PH3614, TG3614, & XG3614 will all fit the same application. However, the filtration level will changes with different letter prefixes. I've had an e-mail exchange with Jay Buckley (aka Motorking). He is a Fram rep on this site. It is on his recommendation that I am running a Fram Ultra XG3614 on my Harley. Here's Jay's LinkedIn profile.
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jay-buckley/8/a1/903
He also does some of the Fram videos on YouTube.
http://youtu.be/JSC9KZGDRDk
If you've every seen any of Jay's posts, he always seems like a straight shooter.
Mobil 1 makes a great M/C filter. It's efficiency is rated at 99.9 @ 20 microns per ISO 4548-12. They list an M1-301 as the filter they base the efficiency on. An M1-301 is an automotive filter that fits various Ford, Mazda, Toyota, and others
https://mobiloil.com/en/oil-filters/motorcycle-oil-filters
For me, the bottom line is, do you lose sleep at night thinking about your filter? If so, do your research, then find one you like and sleep well. After all, it's only an oil filter for your bike. There are plenty of more important things to lose sleep over.
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/resources/Popup/Pages/PartDetailPopup.aspx?partnum=Ml16822
I have used a a Purolator Classic L10241 with great results.
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/resources/Popup/Pages/PartDetailPopup.aspx?partnum=L10241
You'll notice all the listed specs are the same, i.e.: relief valve setting, height, thread size, etc.
Now let's look at Fram. Fram lists the PH6022 as the M/C specific filter for my bike.
http://www.framcatalog.com/PartDetailWindow.aspx?b=F&pn=PH6022
Notice however, the PH3614, has the same specs: relief valve setting, threads, diameter, etc.
http://www.framcatalog.com/PartDetail.aspx?b=F&pn=PH3614
At a glance, they both list STP S3614 as a suitable substitute. There may be others, but I didn't examine the whole list. Also, in the case of Fram, the last 4 numbers stay the same, it's the first two letters that change. PH3614, TG3614, & XG3614 will all fit the same application. However, the filtration level will changes with different letter prefixes. I've had an e-mail exchange with Jay Buckley (aka Motorking). He is a Fram rep on this site. It is on his recommendation that I am running a Fram Ultra XG3614 on my Harley. Here's Jay's LinkedIn profile.
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jay-buckley/8/a1/903
He also does some of the Fram videos on YouTube.
http://youtu.be/JSC9KZGDRDk
If you've every seen any of Jay's posts, he always seems like a straight shooter.
Mobil 1 makes a great M/C filter. It's efficiency is rated at 99.9 @ 20 microns per ISO 4548-12. They list an M1-301 as the filter they base the efficiency on. An M1-301 is an automotive filter that fits various Ford, Mazda, Toyota, and others
https://mobiloil.com/en/oil-filters/motorcycle-oil-filters
For me, the bottom line is, do you lose sleep at night thinking about your filter? If so, do your research, then find one you like and sleep well. After all, it's only an oil filter for your bike. There are plenty of more important things to lose sleep over.
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Failures caused by oil filter used must be exceedingly rare.
What do you want from an oil filter?
Most of us like the idea of high filtering efficiency along with proven ability to hold up in service.
There are a number of filters out there that fit the bill.
Most oil filter maker websites give efficiency figures.
The oil filter sub forum here will give you a look at how a number of different filters hold up in service.
Just select some reasonable combination of durability, filtering efficiency and cost and rest easy that you're using a product that will do well by your engines.
There are probably better choices in terms of price and value than a K&N, although I do have an older one on one of the cars ATM.
I want a 5 micron filter with superior quality synthetic media, preferably micro-glass and plenty of it for my bike. I use superior oils with achievable long drain times. I want a filter I feel comfortable with leaving on bike from winter to next winter and 6 to 8k on my Challenger. I know the oils I'm using can do it easily. Not sure if filters can, I need to experiment and question manufactures if this is achievable I guess. In the past I just changed them quickly, then topped oil off.
Failures caused by oil filter used must be exceedingly rare.
What do you want from an oil filter?
Most of us like the idea of high filtering efficiency along with proven ability to hold up in service.
There are a number of filters out there that fit the bill.
Most oil filter maker websites give efficiency figures.
The oil filter sub forum here will give you a look at how a number of different filters hold up in service.
Just select some reasonable combination of durability, filtering efficiency and cost and rest easy that you're using a product that will do well by your engines.
There are probably better choices in terms of price and value than a K&N, although I do have an older one on one of the cars ATM.
I want a 5 micron filter with superior quality synthetic media, preferably micro-glass and plenty of it for my bike. I use superior oils with achievable long drain times. I want a filter I feel comfortable with leaving on bike from winter to next winter and 6 to 8k on my Challenger. I know the oils I'm using can do it easily. Not sure if filters can, I need to experiment and question manufactures if this is achievable I guess. In the past I just changed them quickly, then topped oil off.
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Well that's easy then.
Any oil filter will catch some 5 micron particles.
The thing is that I don't know of any full flow filter intended for use in the oiling circuit of an engine that can do so with any appreciable efficiency.
The oil filter doesn't lose any efficiency over a change interval and may even gain a little and will also not come close to its holding capacity, so unless you suspect that the filter has torn media, changing it during the course of a 6-8K OCI isn't helpful.
I'd probably settle on a readily available synthetic media filter that has good efficiency and has been shown to hold up well in use.
I hate to sound like a ditto-head, but you could do a lot worse than the Fram Ultra and I'm not convinced that you could do much better.
Any oil filter will catch some 5 micron particles.
The thing is that I don't know of any full flow filter intended for use in the oiling circuit of an engine that can do so with any appreciable efficiency.
The oil filter doesn't lose any efficiency over a change interval and may even gain a little and will also not come close to its holding capacity, so unless you suspect that the filter has torn media, changing it during the course of a 6-8K OCI isn't helpful.
I'd probably settle on a readily available synthetic media filter that has good efficiency and has been shown to hold up well in use.
I hate to sound like a ditto-head, but you could do a lot worse than the Fram Ultra and I'm not convinced that you could do much better.
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