Figuring out speakers/audio for an old car with a low tech radio

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Trying to tackle some long-overdue things in my MG...

A few years back, I sourced a very nice Motorola AM/FM push button radio. It may be a few years newer than my car, but is reasonably period correct. After I went through it, cleaned it up, and did some light restoration work it came to life and sounded great at least in my bench testing.

In the car is a bit of a different story, though. Basically, when I bought the car, it had a CD player in the dash along with two 6x9 4Ω oval speakers in the rear bulkhead(a common but somewhat controversial mounting). The modern radio drove those okay, but it had other big issues(like a completely burned out LCD display) and just looked out of place in the car. I yanked that radio and just ran a factory-style blanking plate for a while.

The push to put a radio in came a bit from my wife, who enjoys riding in the car a lot more if there's SOMETHING there, and the period radio was my compromise. Before this is all said and done I may end up spending the big bucks on one of the modern vintage-looking radios, but I'm trying to make this work for now.

My vintage Motorola(mono, so only a single output channel) calls for a maximum 8Ω output. It did okay running a single 4Ω speaker, but of course I didn't really want to tax it. I wired the trunk speakers in series, which also works okay but turning the volume up enough with the engine running to reasonably able to hear it gives some serious distortion. It especially doesn't help that if the top is down, it more or less covers the speakers, and there's also no speaker box around them.

These cars did not come with a factory radio, but it was a dealer option. For the 68-80 models, it was kind of up to the dealer as to where to install the speakers. Some did it where mine are, some put them on the doors, and some under the dash. I have fairly new door cards that have perforations in the masonite for speakers, but I really don't want to make a big hole in these nice, barely used cards.

Ideally, I'd like to mount under the dash, but I'm at a complete loss as to what to even look for. Ideally I'd like one one on each side, but I don't know how practical that is for the radio I have driving this.

Could I expect reasonable results if I used two 4Ω speakers in series as I'm doing now?

I know very little about car audio, so may be overthinking this way TOO much, but alternatively would it maybe be a good idea to fit some sort of amplifier to drive two separate speakers? Perhaps even combine that with the ones already there?

I'd appreciate thoughts as to how to get something useable out of this. I don't expect Hi-fi sound, just something that I can hear...
 
An amplifier would be better in this situation rather than trying to series-wire the speakers. It would still be mono, but you could split that mono signal into both inputs of a small amp, and have the amp drive the speakers. It won’t sound great, mono and all, but you’d be able to drive the speakers with little to no audible distortion.
 
Car speakers (LH, RH) don't generally work well wired in series. The first speak is going to be much louder.

I think you'd be better off buying a new head unit or at least an amplifier to use with your current unit.
I agree. I think you would be far better seeing what you can get from Crutchfield, or even WalMart, or Amazon. I think you are absolutely correct in rejecting the bolt on, horrendous stuff that was popular in the seventies and eighties. I would encourage you to restore factory speaker locations, and use the best stuff you can afford and that will fit without looking like a kluge. With the head unit, I would strongly consider dealing with something that is NOT period correct, but still has a non-modern look to it. There are lots of black radios with green or amber LCD's that don't quite have a sixties look, but still look thirty years old. (Alpine, Blaupunkt) One thing in your favor is that you do not need a super-ambitious system in this application, Best wishes.
 
When I had my B, I used the door mounts and the thinnest speakers from Retrosound and also used spacers as there is not much room to clear the window mechanisms. Unless you use the kick panels, I don't see much room under the dash. Another option is one or two small speakers on the sides of the center console, although the late B console isn't that large. I have also seen one speaker in a period appearing housing on the rear shelf, this is doable as you have a mono radio.

On my TR6 I wired two 4" speakers in series for my mono Blaupunkt Frankfurt. Hi fidelity is the least of my concerns....
 
Thanks everyone for the comments.

I really would prefer to keep this radio if it's at all realistic to do so, not the least of which for the amount of effort I have in getting it in good shape, and that I like having actual period operation(including some weird pleasure in watching the tuner needle fly across the display when hitting one of the preset buttons).

Just to be clear too, there's NOT a factory location for speakers as there's no factory radio, just some places where dealers often mounted speakers when they installed one. The early Bs(62-67) had had a speaker grill in the center console, but my car is new enough to not have that.

I should have clarified "under the dash" a bit more too. There's not a ton of space, but a small amount of empty space between the back of the center console and the firewall. Originally, this space was needed to access the transmission dipstick, but I have a newer transmission that does not have a dipstick so have no real need to get here. If I can use this space, it sounds like maybe an amp would be the solution? I'm guessing I don't necessarily need anything fancy or expensive for that either...
 
There is some mis-information here. Just some facts (simplified)

Impedance = resistance to current flow (ohms)
Your radio will be fine running the two speakers in series at an 8 ohm load. They will be the same volume if they are the same speaker.
It is harder (runs hotter) for an amplifier source to power a 4 ohm load as compared to an 8 ohm load. (running twice the current)
An amp can run higher and higher impedances (more speakers in series), but its total output will drop accordingly (higher resistance)
An amp has a MINIMUM impedance to keep it alive or out of protect mode...old ones will just overheat or cook themselves
You can wire in a line converter to change your single speaker output into an RCA output and split it and run it into an amp for best results.
 
You can safely run two 4 ohm speakers in series without a problem. The radio sees that as 8 ohms. The first speaker might be slightly louder but no big deal. You don't want to parallel connect them as that would lessen your impedance to 2 ohms. If you are just wanting something to listen to, series connecting is your best low cost option without making a science project out of it..
 
You can wire in a line converter to change your single speaker output into an RCA output and split it and run it into an amp for best results.

I'm pretty sure I have RCA plugs somewhere in my electronics bits and pieces. That is no issue for me.

Just to be sure I'm understanding correctly, are you suggesting basically "bridging"(connecting in parallel) the left and right inputs on a hypothetical amp I might use? Then use the L and R channel to drive separate speakers?(realizing that the sound would still be mono).

Any reason too why, if I did this, I couldn't continue using the ones currently in the car along with another pair mounted behind the console or wherever else I could work out to put them?

I know there are a lot of relatively inexpensive amps on Amazon. Given that my requirements really aren't that stringent, any reason why I couldn't use one of these?
 
Here are some typical Crutchfield stereos. I know period correct may be important but fogetaboutit.

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Here are some typical Crutchfield stereos. I know period correct may be important but fogetaboutit.

No thank you-I went to a lot of trouble to source and repair a quality period correct radio, and I don't want something modern hanging out of the dash.
 
I'm pretty sure I have RCA plugs somewhere in my electronics bits and pieces. That is no issue for me.

Just to be sure I'm understanding correctly, are you suggesting basically "bridging"(connecting in parallel) the left and right inputs on a hypothetical amp I might use? Then use the L and R channel to drive separate speakers?(realizing that the sound would still be mono).

Any reason too why, if I did this, I couldn't continue using the ones currently in the car along with another pair mounted behind the console or wherever else I could work out to put them?

I know there are a lot of relatively inexpensive amps on Amazon. Given that my requirements really aren't that stringent, any reason why I couldn't use one of these?

You would use something like this to turn your one speaker level output into one RCA output.
https://www.amazon.com/Kicker-46KIS...f3f16643198e3b959298849ff2c7e532&gad_source=1

Then you would use this. To split into two RCA outputs to feed into...
https://www.amazon.com/VCELINK-Spli...01ab27e7552a319c9a54ed57c1a4233d&gad_source=1

An inexpensive amp that can power two channels.
https://www.amazon.com/Sound-Storm-...00&sprefix=2+channel+car+amp+ct,aps,98&sr=8-8

You could try wiring in parallel the single speaker output into the speaker level inputs on an amp to save money as well...
 
You would use something like this to turn your one speaker level output into one RCA output.
https://www.amazon.com/Kicker-46KIS...f3f16643198e3b959298849ff2c7e532&gad_source=1

Then you would use this. To split into two RCA outputs to feed into...
https://www.amazon.com/VCELINK-Spli...01ab27e7552a319c9a54ed57c1a4233d&gad_source=1

An inexpensive amp that can power two channels.
https://www.amazon.com/Sound-Storm-...00&sprefix=2+channel+car+amp+ct,aps,98&sr=8-8

You could try wiring in parallel the single speaker output into the speaker level inputs on an amp to save money as well...
Thanks for all of that info.

Just so I understand what's going on-not questioning but trying to understand what the pieces do-what exactly does the first accomplish?(I know at least a bit about electronics so don't mind a technical explanation). The radio as is has a pigtail of speaker wire coming out the back. When talking of "converting" to RCA, my first instinct would probably be to splice an extended piece of wire on now(probably actually the one already on it, which I attached with solder/heat shrink) and then just put an RCA plug on the end of that wire. Does that box electically do something more than this?

Or is your last comment suggesting that I could try doing just that(with a second RCA plug in parallel as I mentioned) saying I may get away without the box?

I'm not averse to spending the money to do this right, but at the same time this is no a high fidelity set-up as I mentioned and is mostly to get my wife to enjoy riding in the car with me.

Thanks for all of your help on this, especially with the specific suggestions.
 
Thanks for all of that info.

Just so I understand what's going on-not questioning but trying to understand what the pieces do-what exactly does the first accomplish?(I know at least a bit about electronics so don't mind a technical explanation). The radio as is has a pigtail of speaker wire coming out the back. When talking of "converting" to RCA, my first instinct would probably be to splice an extended piece of wire on now(probably actually the one already on it, which I attached with solder/heat shrink) and then just put an RCA plug on the end of that wire. Does that box electically do something more than this?

Or is your last comment suggesting that I could try doing just that(with a second RCA plug in parallel as I mentioned) saying I may get away without the box?

I'm not averse to spending the money to do this right, but at the same time this is no a high fidelity set-up as I mentioned and is mostly to get my wife to enjoy riding in the car with me.

Thanks for all of your help on this, especially with the specific suggestions.

The voltage driving the speaker level output should be MUCH higher than the voltage required (allowed) for an RCA input. My understanding is that converter steps down that voltage to something manageable by the RCA input on the amp.

There are amps that have speaker level inputs...you could try either wiring your single output into two speaker level inputs in parallel on the amp (guessing this would work fine), or use a mono amp and wire two speakers in parallel or series depending on the impedance of the speakers, and requirements of the amp.
 
Thanks for all of that info.

Just so I understand what's going on-not questioning but trying to understand what the pieces do-what exactly does the first accomplish?(I know at least a bit about electronics so don't mind a technical explanation). The radio as is has a pigtail of speaker wire coming out the back. When talking of "converting" to RCA, my first instinct would probably be to splice an extended piece of wire on now(probably actually the one already on it, which I attached with solder/heat shrink) and then just put an RCA plug on the end of that wire. Does that box electically do something more than this?

Or is your last comment suggesting that I could try doing just that(with a second RCA plug in parallel as I mentioned) saying I may get away without the box?

I'm not averse to spending the money to do this right, but at the same time this is no a high fidelity set-up as I mentioned and is mostly to get my wife to enjoy riding in the car with me.

Thanks for all of your help on this, especially with the specific suggestions.


Honestly, keeping that head unit is likely to result in sound that would probably be no better than a decent bluetooth speaker. Why not keep the blank out plate look, and just throw something like this in the ride when your bride wants to hear some tunes?
https://www.samsclub.com/p/jbl-charge-essential-wireless-speaker/P03011597?itemNumber=990089789
 
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