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Fidel Castro has died.
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Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
Fidel was the only leader of a third world country that built up a free health care system that produced an infant mortality rate lower than the Southern US, offered free university standard higher education to gifted kids and even made sure that his own people did not shoot each other on a regular basis.
He was one of the most effective and longest lasting leaders in the third world and one of the best friends of Nelson Mandela. He also survived numerous US inspired or funded attempts to assasinate him, something very few other leaders have failed to do.
Long live the revolution!!
You are seriously ill informed.
Fidel was the only leader of a third world country that built up a free health care system that produced an infant mortality rate lower than the Southern US, offered free university standard higher education to gifted kids and even made sure that his own people did not shoot each other on a regular basis.
He was one of the most effective and longest lasting leaders in the third world and one of the best friends of Nelson Mandela. He also survived numerous US inspired or funded attempts to assasinate him, something very few other leaders have failed to do.
Long live the revolution!!
You are seriously ill informed.
Originally Posted By: pbm
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Fidel outlived all of his antagonists as well as all of his patrons.
Cuba is a poor nation these days, although it does have a top-notch educational system that turns out more fully qualified physicians than the island actually needs for the top-notch free medical care it provides.
While we have to import expatriate physicians from around the world, Cuba actually sends them to other developing countries.
We are finally seeing an opening with this nearby neighbor.
This will continue despite what the offspring of those who fled Cuba with their wealth when Castro came to power might want.
The boatload of guns and some CIA advisors thing was tried a little later and the outcome wasn't what was expected.
Cuba will be conquered by Americans, though. It's just that they'll be landing from cruise ships.
America could turn out many more "qualified physicians" if the numbers weren't kept artificially low by the AMA.
PS: I always find the hypocrisy of communism comical since the ruling class live far better off than the 'peasants'....while communism, socialism etc....sounds good....it's really just 'the new boss is the same as the old boss'....
Nice of the AMA to create opportunities for physicians from the developing world.
We live in what could most accurately be described as a mixed economic system a long way from what Adam Smith had in mind. We have the same division of wealth between the ruling elites and the masses here and many of the ruling elite are corporate chiefs unaccountable to the masses.
Someone mentioned that the Castros have around a billion dollars stashed in Switzerland. If that's the case, they're pikers as compared to any elite that has ruled anywhere for as long as the Castros have run Cuba. Anyone ever wonder how it can be that people of no real wealth end up quite well off after a term or two in elected office?
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Fidel outlived all of his antagonists as well as all of his patrons.
Cuba is a poor nation these days, although it does have a top-notch educational system that turns out more fully qualified physicians than the island actually needs for the top-notch free medical care it provides.
While we have to import expatriate physicians from around the world, Cuba actually sends them to other developing countries.
We are finally seeing an opening with this nearby neighbor.
This will continue despite what the offspring of those who fled Cuba with their wealth when Castro came to power might want.
The boatload of guns and some CIA advisors thing was tried a little later and the outcome wasn't what was expected.
Cuba will be conquered by Americans, though. It's just that they'll be landing from cruise ships.
America could turn out many more "qualified physicians" if the numbers weren't kept artificially low by the AMA.
PS: I always find the hypocrisy of communism comical since the ruling class live far better off than the 'peasants'....while communism, socialism etc....sounds good....it's really just 'the new boss is the same as the old boss'....
Nice of the AMA to create opportunities for physicians from the developing world.
We live in what could most accurately be described as a mixed economic system a long way from what Adam Smith had in mind. We have the same division of wealth between the ruling elites and the masses here and many of the ruling elite are corporate chiefs unaccountable to the masses.
Someone mentioned that the Castros have around a billion dollars stashed in Switzerland. If that's the case, they're pikers as compared to any elite that has ruled anywhere for as long as the Castros have run Cuba. Anyone ever wonder how it can be that people of no real wealth end up quite well off after a term or two in elected office?
Those who love it so should move there.
I'm just repeating what the BBC are saying.
Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
Fidel was the only leader of a third world country that built up a free health care system that produced an infant mortality rate lower than the Southern US, offered free university standard higher education to gifted kids and even made sure that his own people did not shoot each other on a regular basis.
He was one of the most effective and longest lasting leaders in the third world and one of the best friends of Nelson Mandela. He also survived numerous US inspired or funded attempts to assasinate him, something very few other leaders have failed to do.
Long live the revolution!!
Can I have another bowl of propaganda, please?
Fidel was the only leader of a third world country that built up a free health care system that produced an infant mortality rate lower than the Southern US, offered free university standard higher education to gifted kids and even made sure that his own people did not shoot each other on a regular basis.
He was one of the most effective and longest lasting leaders in the third world and one of the best friends of Nelson Mandela. He also survived numerous US inspired or funded attempts to assasinate him, something very few other leaders have failed to do.
Long live the revolution!!
Can I have another bowl of propaganda, please?
Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
I'm just repeating what the BBC are saying.
Is that the limit of your intellectual ability? No mention, I note, of the thousands of Cubans he had shot for "impure thoughts" or the fact that Viva Fidel WAS a member of a ruling elite which sent millions to Switzerland while keeping the native population in rank poverty and blaming it on the US.
I'm just repeating what the BBC are saying.
Is that the limit of your intellectual ability? No mention, I note, of the thousands of Cubans he had shot for "impure thoughts" or the fact that Viva Fidel WAS a member of a ruling elite which sent millions to Switzerland while keeping the native population in rank poverty and blaming it on the US.
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: pbm
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Fidel outlived all of his antagonists as well as all of his patrons.
Cuba is a poor nation these days, although it does have a top-notch educational system that turns out more fully qualified physicians than the island actually needs for the top-notch free medical care it provides.
While we have to import expatriate physicians from around the world, Cuba actually sends them to other developing countries.
We are finally seeing an opening with this nearby neighbor.
This will continue despite what the offspring of those who fled Cuba with their wealth when Castro came to power might want.
The boatload of guns and some CIA advisors thing was tried a little later and the outcome wasn't what was expected.
Cuba will be conquered by Americans, though. It's just that they'll be landing from cruise ships.
America could turn out many more "qualified physicians" if the numbers weren't kept artificially low by the AMA.
PS: I always find the hypocrisy of communism comical since the ruling class live far better off than the 'peasants'....while communism, socialism etc....sounds good....it's really just 'the new boss is the same as the old boss'....
Nice of the AMA to create opportunities for physicians from the developing world.
We live in what could most accurately be described as a mixed economic system a long way from what Adam Smith had in mind. We have the same division of wealth between the ruling elites and the masses here and many of the ruling elite are corporate chiefs unaccountable to the masses.
Someone mentioned that the Castros have around a billion dollars stashed in Switzerland. If that's the case, they're pikers as compared to any elite that has ruled anywhere for as long as the Castros have run Cuba. Anyone ever wonder how it can be that people of no real wealth end up quite well off after a term or two in elected office?
But Fidel told us he was a champion of the POOR, who could have benefited fronm that billion he wrung out of the CUban economy for his own use. But, keep buying what the bearded wonder "professors" are selling. You keep telling us about "doctors"... Ugo Chavez went to Cuba to be "cured" and they killed him.
Originally Posted By: pbm
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Fidel outlived all of his antagonists as well as all of his patrons.
Cuba is a poor nation these days, although it does have a top-notch educational system that turns out more fully qualified physicians than the island actually needs for the top-notch free medical care it provides.
While we have to import expatriate physicians from around the world, Cuba actually sends them to other developing countries.
We are finally seeing an opening with this nearby neighbor.
This will continue despite what the offspring of those who fled Cuba with their wealth when Castro came to power might want.
The boatload of guns and some CIA advisors thing was tried a little later and the outcome wasn't what was expected.
Cuba will be conquered by Americans, though. It's just that they'll be landing from cruise ships.
America could turn out many more "qualified physicians" if the numbers weren't kept artificially low by the AMA.
PS: I always find the hypocrisy of communism comical since the ruling class live far better off than the 'peasants'....while communism, socialism etc....sounds good....it's really just 'the new boss is the same as the old boss'....
Nice of the AMA to create opportunities for physicians from the developing world.
We live in what could most accurately be described as a mixed economic system a long way from what Adam Smith had in mind. We have the same division of wealth between the ruling elites and the masses here and many of the ruling elite are corporate chiefs unaccountable to the masses.
Someone mentioned that the Castros have around a billion dollars stashed in Switzerland. If that's the case, they're pikers as compared to any elite that has ruled anywhere for as long as the Castros have run Cuba. Anyone ever wonder how it can be that people of no real wealth end up quite well off after a term or two in elected office?
But Fidel told us he was a champion of the POOR, who could have benefited fronm that billion he wrung out of the CUban economy for his own use. But, keep buying what the bearded wonder "professors" are selling. You keep telling us about "doctors"... Ugo Chavez went to Cuba to be "cured" and they killed him.
No one beats the BBC (BBC 2 is best) for accurate news!
No need to cross check with CNN or DW, BUT the BEEB is not immune from the editors wrath, as they refused to comment on the Copper, Lithium or REE ore deposit story in their real good (I contract for them) BBC 2 ducumentary Bitter Lake, about the mid East and Afghan history.
Missing information is the most dangerous type of information, although the Fidel story is a well know one. The only part that seems missing is the connection between the Bay of Pigs fiasco and the assasination of JFK.
No need to cross check with CNN or DW, BUT the BEEB is not immune from the editors wrath, as they refused to comment on the Copper, Lithium or REE ore deposit story in their real good (I contract for them) BBC 2 ducumentary Bitter Lake, about the mid East and Afghan history.
Missing information is the most dangerous type of information, although the Fidel story is a well know one. The only part that seems missing is the connection between the Bay of Pigs fiasco and the assasination of JFK.
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But wait - he had been handing Cuba some $5B a year (and oil) - so didn't he get the best they had?
Originally Posted By: pbm
It seems that a lot of Cuban exiles are celebrating in South Florida.
I know several now-naturalized citizens who fled Cuba under Castro's murderous, socialist regime. They truly know how much socialism sucks. They are celebrating the death of this brutal dictator, today.
It seems that a lot of Cuban exiles are celebrating in South Florida.
I know several now-naturalized citizens who fled Cuba under Castro's murderous, socialist regime. They truly know how much socialism sucks. They are celebrating the death of this brutal dictator, today.
Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
No one beats the BBC (BBC 2 is best) for accurate news!
No need to cross check with CNN or DW, BUT the BEEB is not immune from the editors wrath, as they refused to comment on the Copper, Lithium or REE ore deposit story in their real good (I contract for them) BBC 2 ducumentary Bitter Lake, about the mid East and Afghan history.
Missing information is the most dangerous type of information, although the Fidel story is a well know one. The only part that seems missing is the connection between the Bay of Pigs fiasco and the assasination of JFK.
I've been following foreign broadcasting for years, no one USED to beat the BBC at news reporting 'till your boy Blair packed it with leftist journalists.
No one beats the BBC (BBC 2 is best) for accurate news!
No need to cross check with CNN or DW, BUT the BEEB is not immune from the editors wrath, as they refused to comment on the Copper, Lithium or REE ore deposit story in their real good (I contract for them) BBC 2 ducumentary Bitter Lake, about the mid East and Afghan history.
Missing information is the most dangerous type of information, although the Fidel story is a well know one. The only part that seems missing is the connection between the Bay of Pigs fiasco and the assasination of JFK.
I've been following foreign broadcasting for years, no one USED to beat the BBC at news reporting 'till your boy Blair packed it with leftist journalists.
I need to go get some Bacardi and limes to make Cuba Libras. My grandparents drank them all the time and I was taught how to make them from a very young age.
Remember how Fidel conned Jimmy Carter and cleaned out his prisons and insane asylums and sent those people to our country during that epically clueless administration?
Whenever I've had doubts about any president, I think of the Carter years just to remind myself that we've survived worse.
For every Cuban who fled the Castro regime there are a thousand who are far better off than they were under the equally brutal and far more corrupt one that it supplanted.
Cuba might also have ended up as an ally of the US were it not for our having driven Castro into the waiting arms of the Soviets.
The Cuban missile crisis happened only because the US at the time enjoyed a first strike capability over the USSR and the Soviets sought to redress the balance of power. There is a school of thought holding that JFK exacerbated the situation by depriving the Soviets of any face-saving way to back down thereby making things more dangerous than they had to be.
Whenever I've had doubts about any president, I think of the Carter years just to remind myself that we've survived worse.
For every Cuban who fled the Castro regime there are a thousand who are far better off than they were under the equally brutal and far more corrupt one that it supplanted.
Cuba might also have ended up as an ally of the US were it not for our having driven Castro into the waiting arms of the Soviets.
The Cuban missile crisis happened only because the US at the time enjoyed a first strike capability over the USSR and the Soviets sought to redress the balance of power. There is a school of thought holding that JFK exacerbated the situation by depriving the Soviets of any face-saving way to back down thereby making things more dangerous than they had to be.
Originally Posted By: DeepFriar
That guy actually begged Kruschev (sp?) to launch nukes at us during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Perhaps a cozy corner in a very warm place for him....
I could be wrong but I don't think so, but no. I think it was Che Guevara that was the nut. And he became disenfranchised after the Soviet deal...
That guy actually begged Kruschev (sp?) to launch nukes at us during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Perhaps a cozy corner in a very warm place for him....
I could be wrong but I don't think so, but no. I think it was Che Guevara that was the nut. And he became disenfranchised after the Soviet deal...
Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
Originally Posted By: DeepFriar
That guy actually begged Kruschev (sp?) to launch nukes at us during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Perhaps a cozy corner in a very warm place for him....
I remember that event well. Went to bed one night in October of 1962 expecting to be incinerated, as we lived less than ten miles from a mountain full of nuclear warheads. A B-29 carrying a nuclear warhead struck this mountain in 1950 but the weapon did not detonate.
My ex-father in law joined the Army Reserve as an intell guy in the late 1950s hoping to avoid active service (draft) so he could make money in the family business. He was a reservist until 1962, when he was activated for the Crisis and then spent his remaining eight year contract on active duty...
Originally Posted By: DeepFriar
That guy actually begged Kruschev (sp?) to launch nukes at us during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Perhaps a cozy corner in a very warm place for him....
I remember that event well. Went to bed one night in October of 1962 expecting to be incinerated, as we lived less than ten miles from a mountain full of nuclear warheads. A B-29 carrying a nuclear warhead struck this mountain in 1950 but the weapon did not detonate.
My ex-father in law joined the Army Reserve as an intell guy in the late 1950s hoping to avoid active service (draft) so he could make money in the family business. He was a reservist until 1962, when he was activated for the Crisis and then spent his remaining eight year contract on active duty...
Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
Fidel was the only leader of a third world country that built up a free health care system that produced an infant mortality rate lower than the Southern US, offered free university standard higher education to gifted kids and even made sure that his own people did not shoot each other on a regular basis.
He was one of the most effective and longest lasting leaders in the third world and one of the best friends of Nelson Mandela. He also survived numerous US inspired or funded attempts to assasinate him, something very few other leaders have failed to do.
Long live the revolution!!
Fidel did some good things, he also was a megalomaniac [censored] that betrayed his own revolution against a possibly bigger [censored] in Bastista...
What good is having a high literacy rate when you can't read the books you want too?
Fidel was the only leader of a third world country that built up a free health care system that produced an infant mortality rate lower than the Southern US, offered free university standard higher education to gifted kids and even made sure that his own people did not shoot each other on a regular basis.
He was one of the most effective and longest lasting leaders in the third world and one of the best friends of Nelson Mandela. He also survived numerous US inspired or funded attempts to assasinate him, something very few other leaders have failed to do.
Long live the revolution!!
Fidel did some good things, he also was a megalomaniac [censored] that betrayed his own revolution against a possibly bigger [censored] in Bastista...
What good is having a high literacy rate when you can't read the books you want too?
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Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Fidel outlived all of his antagonists as well as all of his patrons.
Cuba is a poor nation these days, although it does have a top-notch educational system that turns out more fully qualified physicians than the island actually needs for the top-notch free medical care it provides.
While we have to import expatriate physicians from around the world, Cuba actually sends them to other developing countries.
We are finally seeing an opening with this nearby neighbor.
This will continue despite what the offspring of those who fled Cuba with their wealth when Castro came to power might want.
The boatload of guns and some CIA advisors thing was tried a little later and the outcome wasn't what was expected.
Cuba will be conquered by Americans, though. It's just that they'll be landing from cruise ships.
Fidel was SHOOTING about 200 of his "antagonists" including a lot of doctors, a day in a soccer field in Havana. The Spanish ruling elite brothers have about a BILLION in the bank in a little, hilly, European country. So much for communism there.
Castro was a [censored], but he still murdered less than the guy he overthrew...
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Fidel outlived all of his antagonists as well as all of his patrons.
Cuba is a poor nation these days, although it does have a top-notch educational system that turns out more fully qualified physicians than the island actually needs for the top-notch free medical care it provides.
While we have to import expatriate physicians from around the world, Cuba actually sends them to other developing countries.
We are finally seeing an opening with this nearby neighbor.
This will continue despite what the offspring of those who fled Cuba with their wealth when Castro came to power might want.
The boatload of guns and some CIA advisors thing was tried a little later and the outcome wasn't what was expected.
Cuba will be conquered by Americans, though. It's just that they'll be landing from cruise ships.
Fidel was SHOOTING about 200 of his "antagonists" including a lot of doctors, a day in a soccer field in Havana. The Spanish ruling elite brothers have about a BILLION in the bank in a little, hilly, European country. So much for communism there.
Castro was a [censored], but he still murdered less than the guy he overthrew...
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