Fahrenheit 9/11 smashing box-office records
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In my opinion,Moore 'must' prove himself to be a reputable director etc.So far he has not done so and until he does,I have no use for his so called documentaries.The presidential election was not stolen.Do some true research and you will find that the recounts that were done in Florida continued to help Bush.I believe that the subject of the election was recently discussed on the Charlie Rose Show.It was brought out how the votes that were counted were going to Bush.This is something that the liberal media doesn't want people to know.If Moore was truly making a documentary,this type of information would be included.If Moore was truly making a documentary,both sides of the issues would be discussed,not just 'his' side.Moore is a liberal that wants things his 'way' or no way just as most other liberals do.They will achieve this by almost any means necessary,hence the using of the tragedy of 9-11 to spread their liberal agenda.
I would not see this movie if I was paid to see it. This man has made anti-American statements overseas. And he is a Bush hater who wants to get Bush out of office. I am sick and tired of these haters. Is hate the only thing that the Democratic Party can come up with? How about coming up with a good plan for running the country?
I think I will shortly switch political parties. I am a Democrat, but I am seriously thinking of becoming a Republican.
I think I will shortly switch political parties. I am a Democrat, but I am seriously thinking of becoming a Republican.
Is Moore a Democrat?
from the NT times today:
NYTimes.com > Opinion
Moore's Public Service
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: July 2, 2004
Since it opened, "Fahrenheit 9/11" has been a hit in both blue and red America, even at theaters close to military bases. Last Saturday, Dale Earnhardt Jr. took his Nascar crew to see it. The film's appeal to working-class Americans, who are the true victims of George Bush's policies, should give pause to its critics, especially the nervous liberals rushing to disassociate themselves from Michael Moore.
There has been much tut-tutting by pundits who complain that the movie, though it has yet to be caught in any major factual errors, uses association and innuendo to create false impressions. Many of these same pundits consider it bad form to make a big fuss about the Bush administration's use of association and innuendo to link the Iraq war to 9/11. Why hold a self-proclaimed polemicist to a higher standard than you hold the president of the United States? And for all its flaws, "Fahrenheit 9/11" performs an essential service. It would be a better movie if it didn't promote a few unproven conspiracy theories, but those theories aren't the reason why millions of people who aren't die-hard Bush-haters are flocking to see it. These people see the film to learn true stories they should have heard elsewhere, but didn't. Mr. Moore may not be considered respectable, but his film is a hit because the respectable media haven't been doing their job.
For example, audiences are shocked by the now-famous seven minutes, when George Bush knew the nation was under attack but continued reading "My Pet Goat" with a group of children. Nobody had told them that the tales of Mr. Bush's decisiveness and bravery on that day were pure fiction.
Or consider the Bush family's ties to the Saudis. The film suggests that Mr. Bush and his good friend Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the ambassador known to the family as Bandar Bush, have tried to cover up the extent of Saudi involvement in terrorism. This may or may not be true. But what shocks people, I think, is the fact that nobody told them about this side of Mr. Bush's life. Mr. Bush's carefully constructed persona is that of an all-American regular guy — not like his suspiciously cosmopolitan opponent, with his patrician air. The news media have cheerfully gone along with the pretense. How many stories have you seen contrasting John Kerry's upper-crusty vacation on Nantucket with Mr. Bush's down-home time at the ranch?
But the reality, revealed by Mr. Moore, is that Mr. Bush has always lived in a bubble of privilege. And his family, far from consisting of regular folks with deep roots in the heartland, is deeply enmeshed, financially and personally, with foreign elites — with the Saudis in particular.
Mr. Moore's greatest strength is a real empathy with working-class Americans that most journalists lack. Having stripped away Mr. Bush's common-man mask, he uses his film to make the case, in a way statistics never could, that Mr. Bush's policies favor a narrow elite at the expense of less fortunate Americans — sometimes, indeed, at the cost of their lives.
In a nation where the affluent rarely serve in the military, Mr. Moore follows Marine recruiters as they trawl the malls of depressed communities, where enlistment is the only way for young men and women to escape poverty. He shows corporate executives at a lavish conference on Iraq, nibbling on canapés and exulting over the profit opportunities, then shows the terrible price paid by the soldiers creating those opportunities.
The movie's moral core is a harrowing portrait of a grieving mother who encouraged her children to join the military because it was the only way they could pay for their education, and who lost her son in a war whose justification she no longer understands.
Viewers may come away from Mr. Moore's movie believing some things that probably aren't true. For example, the film talks a lot about Unocal's plans for a pipeline across Afghanistan, which I doubt had much impact on the course of the Afghan war. Someday, when the crisis of American democracy is over, I'll probably find myself berating Mr. Moore, who supported Ralph Nader in 2000, for his simplistic antiglobalization views.
But not now. "Fahrenheit 9/11" is a tendentious, flawed movie, but it tells essential truths about leaders who exploited a national tragedy for political gain, and the ordinary Americans who paid the price.
NYTimes.com > Opinion
Moore's Public Service
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: July 2, 2004
Since it opened, "Fahrenheit 9/11" has been a hit in both blue and red America, even at theaters close to military bases. Last Saturday, Dale Earnhardt Jr. took his Nascar crew to see it. The film's appeal to working-class Americans, who are the true victims of George Bush's policies, should give pause to its critics, especially the nervous liberals rushing to disassociate themselves from Michael Moore.
There has been much tut-tutting by pundits who complain that the movie, though it has yet to be caught in any major factual errors, uses association and innuendo to create false impressions. Many of these same pundits consider it bad form to make a big fuss about the Bush administration's use of association and innuendo to link the Iraq war to 9/11. Why hold a self-proclaimed polemicist to a higher standard than you hold the president of the United States? And for all its flaws, "Fahrenheit 9/11" performs an essential service. It would be a better movie if it didn't promote a few unproven conspiracy theories, but those theories aren't the reason why millions of people who aren't die-hard Bush-haters are flocking to see it. These people see the film to learn true stories they should have heard elsewhere, but didn't. Mr. Moore may not be considered respectable, but his film is a hit because the respectable media haven't been doing their job.
For example, audiences are shocked by the now-famous seven minutes, when George Bush knew the nation was under attack but continued reading "My Pet Goat" with a group of children. Nobody had told them that the tales of Mr. Bush's decisiveness and bravery on that day were pure fiction.
Or consider the Bush family's ties to the Saudis. The film suggests that Mr. Bush and his good friend Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the ambassador known to the family as Bandar Bush, have tried to cover up the extent of Saudi involvement in terrorism. This may or may not be true. But what shocks people, I think, is the fact that nobody told them about this side of Mr. Bush's life. Mr. Bush's carefully constructed persona is that of an all-American regular guy — not like his suspiciously cosmopolitan opponent, with his patrician air. The news media have cheerfully gone along with the pretense. How many stories have you seen contrasting John Kerry's upper-crusty vacation on Nantucket with Mr. Bush's down-home time at the ranch?
But the reality, revealed by Mr. Moore, is that Mr. Bush has always lived in a bubble of privilege. And his family, far from consisting of regular folks with deep roots in the heartland, is deeply enmeshed, financially and personally, with foreign elites — with the Saudis in particular.
Mr. Moore's greatest strength is a real empathy with working-class Americans that most journalists lack. Having stripped away Mr. Bush's common-man mask, he uses his film to make the case, in a way statistics never could, that Mr. Bush's policies favor a narrow elite at the expense of less fortunate Americans — sometimes, indeed, at the cost of their lives.
In a nation where the affluent rarely serve in the military, Mr. Moore follows Marine recruiters as they trawl the malls of depressed communities, where enlistment is the only way for young men and women to escape poverty. He shows corporate executives at a lavish conference on Iraq, nibbling on canapés and exulting over the profit opportunities, then shows the terrible price paid by the soldiers creating those opportunities.
The movie's moral core is a harrowing portrait of a grieving mother who encouraged her children to join the military because it was the only way they could pay for their education, and who lost her son in a war whose justification she no longer understands.
Viewers may come away from Mr. Moore's movie believing some things that probably aren't true. For example, the film talks a lot about Unocal's plans for a pipeline across Afghanistan, which I doubt had much impact on the course of the Afghan war. Someday, when the crisis of American democracy is over, I'll probably find myself berating Mr. Moore, who supported Ralph Nader in 2000, for his simplistic antiglobalization views.
But not now. "Fahrenheit 9/11" is a tendentious, flawed movie, but it tells essential truths about leaders who exploited a national tragedy for political gain, and the ordinary Americans who paid the price.
Thank you NY Times.
I saw the film last night (it was excellent) and didn't notice any lies. To which lies are you referring?
Actually, how many of you folks here have seen the film? How can you make any claims at all about a movie you haven't seen?
MR
Here is a column by a chef at the "Windows on the World" restaurant at the WTC who missed meeting his end by an hour. He has some passionate, eloquent words for the sorry fat, piece of crap. Sorry, I can't be polite when speaking of that smart a$$, fat piece of...sorry, there I go again. Enjoy...
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040630/COLUMNIST13/406300332
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040630/COLUMNIST13/406300332
Michael Moore is nothing more that a fat, liberal, political slut to the far left.
Anyone that thinks he has anything to say that is worth a discussion is nothing more than a left wing idiot.
The only thing I want to hear michael moore say is "I'm choking" at the all you can eat buffet. We could only be so lucky. I guess we will just have to wait for him to choke on something attached to a liberal politician in DC.
Why don't the liberal sheep in the USA try to vote that fat pig into office?
Anyone that thinks he has anything to say that is worth a discussion is nothing more than a left wing idiot.
The only thing I want to hear michael moore say is "I'm choking" at the all you can eat buffet. We could only be so lucky. I guess we will just have to wait for him to choke on something attached to a liberal politician in DC.
Why don't the liberal sheep in the USA try to vote that fat pig into office?
Uh? I haven't seen the movie (waiting for it to hit rental), but have read it makes the case that Bush allowed Bin Laden family members and other Saudis to fly out of the US in the week(s) following 9/11. Richard Clark said, months ago, that this decision was his and went no higher. Oops! This information was available months before the movie was released, and the source is non other than hero of the left, Richard Clark. LOL.
Moore is a propagandist, no more and no less.
There are already web sites dedicated to exposing the factual lies in the movie, and frankly, I don't have time to read them because they have pages and pages and pages of items and Moore bores me.
"NO MOORE LIES"
Keith.
When will moore pry the fried chicken leg from his teeth and make a "unbiased" film about the klinton bodycount?
Never because the truth hurts liberals and they avoid it all cost.
Never because the truth hurts liberals and they avoid it all cost.
I voted for Bush last time and I have not watched the movie, I've been listening to all of the talk radio guys, watching all of the news shows and reading everything I can get my hands on. I am leaning toward voting for Kerry (If the election was held today). Health care is a big issue for me ( I have it, but everyone needs it ) and Kerry seems to be addressing it in a very aggressive way. It is a given that whoever would be President will focus on National Security, I would of done just what Bush did, attacking Iraq based on the information he "presented" before we attacked, my problem is that his team did not have the right information, and as President I hold him responsible. Since I'm not a Rep or a Dem and I am located in one of the swing states looks like my vote this time might make a big difference. I am still open minded and have not made a final decision. I will keep reading, listening and watching. It feels good that my vote will make a difference this year.
I plan on seeing the movie, I know that it is propaganda and made and edited to make President Bush look bad. It just amazes me sometimes how the President gives the impression that he is not very intelligent. That bothers me, I like to think that the President of the United States is smarter then me. You know how sometimes it is the little things that makes the difference in your decisions? Example - When my 85 year old mother that is in a nursing home watches President Bush speak on TV, her comment is often, "he's not very smart is he?" I think a lot of people are getting that feeling the more we get to know George W. Bush.
I can assure you Stab we have far less problems than the U.S does. Better you do some research before you continue with foot-in-mouth disease.
That's because you guys get to decide when you want to go out in the "Bush". We have to deal with "Bush" all of the time.
I saw this link on another ( non oil related ) forum.....
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39079
Sorry if this is true and they are giving their OK to the support from terrorist..... then no way are they getting a single penny from me.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39079
Sorry if this is true and they are giving their OK to the support from terrorist..... then no way are they getting a single penny from me.
Pitbull that's a good one indeed. And yes there is a lot of bush here, pity we can't say same the same about water.
I would like to think that was true, but did you look at the other links there? Who is going to save us from the black helicopters?
I'm getting pretty sick of the "anyone who dares to criticise the USA must be jealous" bullsh!t that some Americans believe.
Sprintman is not critical of America anywhere in this thread.
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