The 3 series BMW hybrid we had in HI was really tinny. Extra Cheapie. No fanks.
EV lots getting cleaned out.
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I have a database of all Ontario's grid data going back over 10 years, which includes our most recent solar installations, which aren't that old. That 3-4% is based on the output of those installations.
This was an exercise I did back in 2024, which was to take the entire installed solar capacity for the province, and apply the hourly output profile from our higher performing grid tied units to it, since hourly data isn't provided for the smaller installations, only the annual average (which is notably lower than for the grid-tied ones). So this is basically just our grid-tied capacity increased 5.5x for the first two weeks of January. 2nd two weeks are similar, which I can share if you are interested.
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It was inevitable after we stopped giving Americans $7500 as a down payment on an electric vehicle.
It was a no-brainer, walking into a dealership with no money drive out in a car.
Good news is maybe on a global scale gasoline inventory will increase and keep US consumer gasoline prices stable for the next few decades.
For sure if the price is right, there can be solid reasons to own an electric vehicle if you can charge at home and for someone like me, it would be local use only. I would always maintain a gasoline vehicle for my interstate Crusades!
I don’t think they would react much differently. To recharge a vehicle at a charger can be quite expensive and then there is still the inconvenience for many of charging while on a trip and unable to charge at home.
You can get a Chevy equinox in the EV version or the electric version pretty close on par with price.
Let’s not forget there are no big electric vehicle interstate cruisers in a good price range. Most all electric vehicles are in the compact to small sedans
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Have to laugh at the mention of Nissan being a garbage brand. My current Nissan has been by far the most reliable/lower cost to maintain over 4 decades including several Yotas, Pontiac, Olds, Chevy, Ford, Mitsu...and yes mine is a 2013/125k with a CVT that has easily been the best automatic in any car I have owned/driven. The power delivery in very useful range just blows the typical shifting most autos are annoying to tolerate away.
I think you are talking about Supercharging on the road. If we assume charging prices would go down due to more supply, that would be good. But current prices are at least comparable to gas prices.
Now, if we are talking about charging at apartment, condo, places of work, etc, that will be a game changer. Renters around here have been asking for charging capabilities for years, and landlords have used it as an enticement.
On the road, I stop at a location with a Starbucks, or whatever, and pick up a few miles. 15-20 minutes goes by faster than you might think. It's no big deal. In fact, it gives you a nice break, and may introduce you to a new area. Can be kinda cool, actually. That's my experience.
I expect to see more charging opportunities going forward. You gotta have a hook; give people additional benefits to stopping.
Heck, right now gas vehicles spend a bazillion times more time fueling up that I do. Gas stations are a drag and are so expensive.
I've been watching videos of people that cross country their EVs. It can be done, but it can also be a hassle if you're not careful.
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There aren't many electric sedans. Most are compact to mid-size SUVs or CUVs.
Maybe I should spend my time in the oil analysis area preaching they should trade their cars for EVs to save money on oil changes.
The "I prefer gas" or "screw EV" posts around here are just low level trolling.
This is the same as anyone who switched from horseback travel to train and passenger cars back in the days. The same would happen with self driving trucks as well. A lot of transit would go through places that doesn't snow and self driving trucks would run 36 hours (with diesel engines) instead of 2 drivers taking turn every 10 hours. Despite longer distance it would get to destination faster and cheaper that way.
It's basically a hassle if you don't have full access to the Supercharger network. The rest of the charging solutions are not as reliable, require different apps, and generally just add frustration to the whole experience.
It seems to me that EV manufacturers could gain a lot of sales by coordinating and cooperating on charging standards and networks. With gas you just pull into any station and they all operate the same, and they all take cash, credit cards, debit cards, or phone payments (many). EVs need that simplicity.
It exists... just use the Tesla Supercharger network. The genuine adapter if needed is about $250.
Oh yes, that special kind of person such as @JeffKeryk and many others who traditionally stop and take a break while on the road. More so in his home state they actually have a charge network.
In addition, since he has a home, he could charge overnight at his house.
I also can’t deny there are many people who leisurely drive, enjoy stopping, and even consider an electric vehicle a hobby.
Now flip it to the other half of the population who doesn’t have a house, who doesn’t live in a state with a robust charging network or people like me who never ever stop driving on the interstate.
An example would be when we were looking at homes in Florida in 2022. I would leave my house in South Carolina jump on the interstate for four straight hours, look at homes in the town we were looking in in Florida for three hours jump back on the interstate for four hours back to my home and actually be home for dinner with my wife.
One other observation, let’s say those Florida trips, and even the trips below. On the rare occasion, I do see an electric vehicle on interstate for these types of trips. Is it to save battery life that they always seem to be doing close to the speed limit? They always seem to be driving in the right lane and me as well as others driving in the left lane for instance roughly 83 miles an hour.
Now that we decided to live in North Carolina instead. I go to visit my son in South Carolina, which is exactly a 4 Hour Dr. that we never stop for except a rest stop on the actual interstate to run and use the bathroom and hit the road again.
Spend roughly 4 hours at his house jump on the interstate again and we’re back at our house by 9:00 PM
Just last week we visited our daughter in Virginia for three days. Five hours and 20 minutes each way drive time same deal one quick stop to use the bathroom and back on the road. Any of these stops to refuel takes five minutes.
Keep in mind I have a midsize SUV that also can tow 5100 pounds for our boat which we do locally. Even though when we moved from South Carolina to North Carolina, we tow that boat again at 83 miles an hour the entire trip. Also, on a second trip, we tow a four wheel U-Haul trailer at the same speed. I think safe to say gasoline has utility at a reasonable price.
So it’s all good, but there’s no one size fits all!
An electric vehicle would probably fit in our household as well, but it wouldn’t be towing about and it wouldn’t be going on the interstate to my son or my daughter‘s house. It would be our second more local car, which we have now.
I like the thought of only one someday I just don’t know if that day will ever happen
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Yeah, I know they call them that.
But put them next to a real midsize SUV and they look like small four-door sedans. Which to me all Teslas look as well.
There’s no denying the small aerodynamic low to the ground shape to get the most amount of miles from a battery pack.
Even more so Americans vote for the gasoline SUV with their pocketbook is even more telling
@alarmguy have you reviewed the Tesla Supercharger Network?
It wouldn’t matter to me for a cost/inconvenience as I posted regarding my midsize SUV.
With that said my son who takes his electric vehicle when he visits us stops about an hour and a half away to charge up before he gets to our house.
To answer your question, here is a map.
From Myrtle Beach, SC to Wilmington, North Carolina. They are 75 miles apart for a supercharger, and up to 1.5 hours apart as well. Or if you head west, you could pick one up about 50 miles away.
For gasoline there is a station almost on every street corner
It’s easier than ever to travel in EVs. I have gone on many trips throughout the SE, and have never had issues with charging. With access to the Tesla network now, it shouldn’t be a problem at all. Sure, in places like Wyoming, you’ll have to plan your trip out more, but it’s not difficult to do.
Keep in mind from a DC charging standpoint, new Tesla/NACS and CCS1 are the same thing. Tesla switched to the CCS1 communication standard (the more secure and more universal ISO 15118) around 2020.
A simple adapter gives almost everyone access to almost every station (except some ancient Tesla V2 stations and CHAdeMO, which I believe are on the same, old protocol together).
The reliability of non-Tesla stations has gone WAY up in the last couple years. IONNA is more reliable & universal than Tesla - there’s just not a ton of them out there yet. Electrify America has done a massive job in the last two years of increasing reliability. They’ve been ripping out hundreds of stations that were brand new just within the last few years and installing new, next-gen equipment. I’d trust them to cross the country without a 2nd thought.
Between Tesla, IONNA, Walmart, Electrify America, EVGo and a few other bigger players you can reliably cover the vast majority of the USA. A few places get rough like the Dakotas and Montana. Most DCFCs are along the intersates, and even then are few and far between.
I’ve DC Fast Charged on average twice a week for the last few years. I never use Tesla Superchargers and never had a “problem”. Literally only one station didn’t work that was supposed to work. They we ripping up the pavement of the parking lot. The station was advertised as open and available, but it didn’t work. I think the paving crew hit something they weren’t supposed to.
IONNA, Electrify America, EVGo, Circle K, Red E, etc - all great. Stick with the big networks, and consider the chargers at dealerships and utility co-ops as emergency-only and you’ll be just fine.
A simple adapter gives almost everyone access to almost every station (except some ancient Tesla V2 stations and CHAdeMO, which I believe are on the same, old protocol together).
The reliability of non-Tesla stations has gone WAY up in the last couple years. IONNA is more reliable & universal than Tesla - there’s just not a ton of them out there yet. Electrify America has done a massive job in the last two years of increasing reliability. They’ve been ripping out hundreds of stations that were brand new just within the last few years and installing new, next-gen equipment. I’d trust them to cross the country without a 2nd thought.
Between Tesla, IONNA, Walmart, Electrify America, EVGo and a few other bigger players you can reliably cover the vast majority of the USA. A few places get rough like the Dakotas and Montana. Most DCFCs are along the intersates, and even then are few and far between.
I’ve DC Fast Charged on average twice a week for the last few years. I never use Tesla Superchargers and never had a “problem”. Literally only one station didn’t work that was supposed to work. They we ripping up the pavement of the parking lot. The station was advertised as open and available, but it didn’t work. I think the paving crew hit something they weren’t supposed to.
IONNA, Electrify America, EVGo, Circle K, Red E, etc - all great. Stick with the big networks, and consider the chargers at dealerships and utility co-ops as emergency-only and you’ll be just fine.
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