Electric grid and price of home electric?

[supton]

Way more than one needs to know, long read.
It can be produced many ways and new methods as well.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_fuel

Don’t miss the links to buses in use and this other link explaining more
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_cell_vehicle

Because pure hydrogen does not occur naturally on Earth in large quantities, it usually requires a primary energy input to be produced on an industrial scale.[1] Hydrogen fuel can be produced from methane or by electrolysis of water.[2] As of 2020, the majority of hydrogen (∼95%) is produced from fossil fuels by steam reforming or partial oxidation of methane and coal gasification with only a small quantity by other routes such as biomass gasification or electrolysis of water.

Hydrogen is usually considered to be an energy carrier, like electricity, as it must be produced from a primary energy source

 

[billt460]

Reduce your electric usage. Turn heating and air conditioning down. Turn off lights not needed. Run full loads of laundry with warm or cold water. There are lots of ways to save.

That solar kit will cost money too. Figure out the return on investment.

Then look at your entire budget for ways to save.

I do. All of my vehicles run on gas. Why should I have to run around in the dark, in a hot house in the Summer, and overload my brand new washer and dryer, just to help pay for some guy who wants to overburden an already overburdened power grid, with his brand new electric toy? That's absurd.

The people who think these things are so wonderful, and who think they're going to save the planet, should be forced to pay a Power Grid Improvement Tax.

They're the ones who are creating an even bigger strain on an already overburdened power grid... Not me. My new washer, dryer, dishwasher, freezer, and water heater are already, "energy saving" models. And that's as far as I'm willing to go.

It's bad enough I had to watch the bulk of my property taxes go for decades, to fund public schools I never used. That now want to teach 5 year olds about using, "correct sexual gender pronouns".

Now that I'm retired, I'm supposed to be forced to help foot the bill, so some overhyped greenie can charge his new toy? I don't think so.

If they can tax guns and ammunition an extra 11% to help the government pay for things like wetland preservation, they sure as hell can tax electric vehicles an extra 11% or more, to help pay for a power grid they're going to help collapse.

 

[billt460]

I am FIRMLY convinced modern EVs will produce their own electricity. Using h2 and a fuel cell OR a battery will be developed (think solid state) that will enable a car to be charged as fast as a gasoline car, until that time, to me, its a step backwards for much the population.

Forget about Hydrogen Fuel Cell Powered vehicles:

https://energypost.eu/hydrogen-fuel... have bad,than combustion or electric engines


You cannot fill up like you do with gasoline or diesel. It is actually pretty ridiculous how hard it is to fill up a HFC powered car.

You won’t even go 100 miles on current tech hydrogen tanks that are still safe to carry around in a car.

Fuel cells wear out crazy fast and are hard to regenerate.

Hydrogen as a fuel is incredibly hard to make and distribute with acceptably low losses.

Additionally,

• Hydrogen fuel cells have bad theoretical and practical efficiency.
• Hydrogen storage is inefficient, energetically, volumetrically and with respect to weight.
• HFCs require a ton of supporting systems, making them much more complicated and prone to failure than combustion or electric engines.
• There is no infrastructure for distributing or even making hydrogen in large quantities. There won’t be for at least 20 or 30 years, even if we. start building it like crazy today.
• Hydrogen is actually pretty hard to make. It has a horrible well-to-wheel efficiency as a result.
• Easy ways to get large quantities of hydrogen are not ‘cleaner’ than gasoline.
• Efficient HFCs have very slow response times, meaning you again need additional systems to store energy for accelerating
• Even though a HFC-powered car is essentially an electric car, you get none of the benefits like filling it up with your own power source, using it as a smart grid buffer, regenerating energy during braking, etc.
• Battery electric cars will always be better in every way given the speed of technological developments past, present and future

 

[Dave9]

Gov needs to look at all sources of power. There is no bullet solution however a comprehensive plan of wind, solar, fossil, hydro and nuke all make a better grid. I live in NH and all of those are present including excess hydro power from Quebec beyond local Nuke.

No! The thing we should not do, is waste money on lower efficiency methods, make energy as expensive as possible.

Nuclear is as close to a magic bullet as possible, building up that infrastructure while we try to wean off fossil fuels and develop better tech to move towards solar as not solar panels but instead, biofuel from more sustainable ways of converting sun to cellulose to fuel, essentially just shortcutting nature's own process to turn that into oil and then our converting it back again.

Unfortunately we have these ridiculous distractions from this mandatory need, piddling away time, money, resources towards wind, silicon solar, hydro, etc beyond already present levels.

The only thing truly sustainable is harness the power input (sun is all we have), and do it in a way that the planet supports without a requirement for depletion of materials (minimal mining or other desperate measures), (plant/cellulose is the only way). What the greentards don't want you to realize is that all this plant growth to produce the cellulose, also 'sinks away the CO2. It is the massive ignorant lie that we should chase ghosts instead of the obvious.

 

[M56959]

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