Einstein maybe right (re:speed of light), afterall

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Originally Posted By: Quest
http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/...peed/?hpt=hp_c2

My takes is a very open-minded stance on this matter...and see which is which.

Maybe Albert Einstein was wrong?! or right?!

We'll see over time to see if neutrinos really can break this law (of physics).

Q.


I always figured that those physics laws would eventually be changed because we really know almost NOTHING about the universe outside of what happens here on earth, there is every reason to believe that those laws could be different depending where or at what time you are in the universe, (black holes, ect) The neat thing about breaking the physics "theory" about the "speed of light" is that if neutrinos can break that "law" it would be possible to travel back in time. Now that is interesting.
 
We know a great deal about the universe, and the laws of physics don't change just because we leave our system.
The experiment involving the measurement of the speed of the neutrinos was found to be flawed.
The neutrinos did not exceed the speed of light.
Einstein was a theoretical physicist, not an empiricist.
Thus far, he has not been proven wrong in what he proposed as theory.
Rather, the theories of this patent office clerk have been proven to be almost supernaturally correct.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
We know a great deal about the universe, and the laws of physics don't change just because we leave our system.


Have you actually visited INSIDE a black hole?
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The experiment involving the measurement of the speed of the neutrinos was found to be flawed.
Maybe. But they are still going to retest. So even they are not completely sure about this.
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Einstein was a theoretical physicist, not an empericist.
Thus far, he has not been proven wrong in what he proposed as theory.
Rather, the theories of this patent office clerk have been proven to be almost supernaturally correct.


I know that Einstein "borrowed" much information from Tesla.

Think what you will. You'll be wrong of course, eventually, it might take a few centuries.
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You should probably do a little serious reading in physics and cosmology.
You are coming off as being on about the same level as those who place creationism on a par with evoloution as serious theories.
 
You can't get around the fact that any massive particle will gain mass as the velocity nears the speed of light. Apparently neutrinos have mass, there's no way they are going to exceed the speed much less reach it. Not going to happen.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
You should probably do a little serious reading in physics and cosmology.


Actually I have. Really.
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You are coming off as being on about the same level as those who place creationism on a par with evoloution as serious theories.


There is a reason WHY Einstein's "theory" of relativity is called just that, a "theory".

If you go to many of those experts in the fields of physics and cosmology they will admit that in fact we (humanity-our experts) know very little when it comes right down to it. Go ahead ask them and that is the answer you will get because it is true.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
We know a great deal about the universe, and the laws of physics don't change just because we leave our system.
The experiment involving the measurement of the speed of the neutrinos was found to be flawed.
The neutrinos did not exceed the speed of light.
Einstein was a theoretical physicist, not an empiricist.
Thus far, he has not been proven wrong in what he proposed as theory.
Rather, the theories of this patent office clerk have been proven to be almost supernaturally correct.

Gravity wave are incredibly faster than light.
MR Einstein was wrong on that one and if he is wrong on that one the whole theory collapses.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Quantum coupling appears to have information that travels faster than light too.

Correct you are Shannow.
A lower estimate for the speed of gravity waves is 2*10^10C.
 
http://www.photonics.com/Article.asp...eklyNewsletter

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http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.3763v2

A proton walks into the bar and orders a martini. The bartender says, "Say, aren't you that electron who was in here last week?"
Proton replies, "No."
Bartender says, "You sure?"
Proton says, "I'm positive."

Then a neutron walks in. The bartender says, "For you, no charge."


My sundial works at the speed of light. Come to think of it, it works at the speed of dark, too.

A question: If something moves faster than light then would it cease to exist before it was created... In other words, Would it begin life moving backwards in time?
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Originally Posted By: spock1

Gravity wave are incredibly faster than light.
MR Einstein was wrong on that one and if he is wrong on that one the whole theory collapses.


You have no idea what you are talking about.
 
The office grapevine is faster than the speed of light, too.

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"If you can't explain your physics to a barmaid, it's not very good physics."

-Rutherford


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Sheldon of the Big Bang Theory can explain this, just ask him.


We don't allow faster than light neutrinos in here, said the bartender. A neutrino walks into a bar. Neutrino. Knock knock.


I wrote a speed of light joke...but a neutrino beat me to it.
 
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Originally Posted By: spock1

Gravity wave are incredibly faster than light.
MR Einstein was wrong on that one and if he is wrong on that one the whole theory collapses.


You have no idea what you are talking about.

We are talking about gravity waves.
Gravity is what holds you attached to the ground-pretty hard to deny,huh!
If you took basic high school mathematics,you will know that 2>1
and that 2.0*10^10c>c
Now,that was not too complicated,was it?No tensor calculus involved.
 
Wow. I'm done trying to make any sense with you.

Originally Posted By: spock1
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: spock1

Gravity wave are incredibly faster than light.
MR Einstein was wrong on that one and if he is wrong on that one the whole theory collapses.


You have no idea what you are talking about.

We are talking about gravity waves.
Gravity is what holds you attached to the ground-pretty hard to deny,huh!
If you took basic high school mathematics,you will know that 2>1
and that 2.0*10^10c>c
Now,that was not too complicated,was it?No tensor calculus involved.
 
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell

There is a reason WHY Einstein's "theory" of relativity is called just that, a "theory".

And yet Quantum Mechanics (a theory) has proven Newton's Laws wrong.
 
Nothing has proven Newton's laws wrong. Newton's laws are an approximation that work well for 99+% of any calculations anyone may want to perform. They are not "wrong".

Besides, any calculations involving motion of massive bodies would not involve quantum mechanics. Einstein's equations, yes but not quantum mechanics.

Originally Posted By: Al
And yet Quantum Mechanics (a theory) has proven Newton's Laws wrong.
 
Originally Posted By: kschachn


Originally Posted By: Al
And yet Quantum Mechanics (a theory) has proven Newton's Laws wrong.

They are wrong they don't hold true for satellites. They are approximations (read inaccurate) for little stuff and big stuff.


Newtons laws don't account for change of mass, length nor variance with time, length and mass. All his equations are made up of time, mass, and mass. sooooooo....Law is wrong while theory..which is accurate to the less than a hair's thickness in 3000 miles+. Also QM Theory has never failed in observations of hundreds of trillions events monitored in many collide rs in 75 years.
 
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