Do you have details? All gas except rec has has ethanol here. How much more is e15 substadized vs e10
E15 replacing E10?
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I also thought the 4 gallon sticker was bizarre. Is that really a law? Good luck enforcing it.That is bizarre. Also min 4 gallons or violate federal law?
What If I want some gas for a mower? or top off car before a long stretch after grabbing a coffee?
Doesnt surprise me it was a pilot they are are crooked from the top down.. and here we wonder why the Browns are terrible.
Maybe they ran out of E10 stickers, and theoretically E10 meets the E15 labeling. It is UP TO 15%.
One of my antique cars has a 6 gallon fuel tank, 4 gallon fills don’t always happen, similar to filling a motorcycle.
You can start with the 45 cents per gallon of ethanol the government gives away to the blenders (after they set the required amount of ethanol each blender must use per year). There is also a tarriff on Brazilian ethanol - which is much cheaper. Been in place forever, but not even the tariff haters mention it. Talk about a racket.
Then there is the farm subsidies, which are really squishy. Depending on who's numbers you want to believe it can be up to $4 per gallon of ethanol.
Google "ethanol subsidy" and read till your hearts content. I have - left me with more questions than answers. This will get you started. https://www.thoughtco.com/understanding-the-ethanol-subsidy-3321701
I might look into that more when I have a day off.
I was seeking more concrete 15% vs 10% numbers.
I have a hard time believing there is 60cents more subsidizing going on with upto 5% more ethanol per gallon of fuel
0% is only available as recreation/marina gas and somewhere outside of the lunar orbit as far as high priced. (4.29-5.59) vs 2.42 to 2.77
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My understanding is that Brazilian uses sugar cane to make ethanol. Much more efficient than corn.
Correct, much more efficient to produce.
Rather than embrace it, we put a 54 cent tariff on it sometime in the 80's. It was reduced to 45 cents I believe in 2008?
Minimum of 4 gallons is a way to protect motorcycles from damage. Stupid decision, but it was a bad compromise. It was meant to account for multi use single handle pumps. So a motorcycle wouldn’t add 2 gallons where the gas in the hose might be E-15 or higher. I live in RI and we cannot get E-0 at any price out of a pump. Have to buy 5 gallon cans of E-0 at over $100 a can.
Kinda sounds like it’s not really about using less fossil fuels………..
That is really strange given you likely have lots of boats in RI. Lots of stations serving up E0 around here, all be it $1.00 extra per gallon.Minimum of 4 gallons is a way to protect motorcycles from damage. Stupid decision, but it was a bad compromise. It was meant to account for multi use single handle pumps. So a motorcycle wouldn’t add 2 gallons where the gas in the hose might be E-15 or higher. I live in RI and we cannot get E-0 at any price out of a pump. Have to buy 5 gallon cans of E-0 at over $100 a can.
I haven't really seen much of E15 usage here of WA, it's probably as rare as seeing E85 around the Seattle area.
You're probably more likely to find E0 than E15/E85 in Western WA. Prices aren't too bad over normal Shell/Chevron prices.
You're probably more likely to find E0 than E15/E85 in Western WA. Prices aren't too bad over normal Shell/Chevron prices.
I would gladly pay $1.00 a gallon more for E-0 91 octane.
Notice that many of these fuel stations pushings this swill aren't even top tier so avoid them anyways. I feel confident we will keep pure unethanoled fuel as well as 5-10% which should be max as higher ethanol content lowers oil change intervals.
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For years we grew corn with no irrigation. Enter E10 and it becomes supply chain. I can drive a long ways down a FM road and the corn is to my right as far as you can see. On and on.
Why? It parallels a river that flows into the estuaries - and every 100’ is a sign advertising which chemicals they use to farm.
Here in the Milwaukee area E0 isn’t available anywhere including the Milwaukee Marina. Only E10.
This has been posted many times. Our collective memory is very short. Ethanol as an auto fuel was proposed at a time when America, just north of the Gulf of America, was in deep do-do. Oil production was falling and Alaska oil production was in a steep decline. The President at the time was telling people that Switch Grass was going to save everyone’s bacon. Fast forward, oil well fracking was invented and pulled oil production to new records. The mid west farmers, however, appreciated the income off the corn production used to make ethanol and the rest is history.
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VP fuel sells 94 octane E-0 in 5-gal buckets. Most powersports dealers can get it. About $100/bucket. I buy one at the end of the fall and fill my MC for Winter storage.
Wow. Local station here is about a buck more than regular, so thats about $3.60 a gallon currently. I wonder how many buckets my Frontier could haul to RI?
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Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Kramer, and Newman, were driving pop bottles out of state for the higher deposit refund.
I decided against posting this originally as it’s on the edge of speculation but since other comments here are pure speculation…
Our gigantic tank farm operator has been complaining that there isn’t enough of the correct type of crude to make RUG. AKA Crude crude everywhere but nothing we are capable of refining. This is pretty much a shortage in the mid west and south central regions.
I follow individuals that track the REAL ethanol content in RUG and e15 fuels and in this area e10 was running 3-5% ethanol last November and so called e15 was quite nearly e10, in a normal year real world ethanol content bottoms out right about now but instead e10 and e15 is AT THE UPPER LEGAL LIMIT. Which is highly unusual in the winter in this area, e85 is even higher than normal for winter months. (E70 in the winter is extremely unusual, normally e50)
The idea that farmers are driving ethanol content to trend up makes a nice sound bite
but regional crude supply issues coupled with difficulty exporting corn are making it so blenders are pushing the ethanol blends higher more out of necessity and a cost avoider because we aren’t getting the correct feedstocks in this region to make low E RUG.
This set of complaints isn’t new (on and off since late 2023)
but it is getting worse and we are on the edge of seeing the central US gas get expensive, (and possibly paradoxically diesel might get cheaper)
far as I can tell the West isn’t being affected by this issue, but issues do tend to spread if they get worse.
And yes gas has been getting more expensive locally every week since mid January, the spread between e10 and e15 has grown and e0 is extraordinarily expensive now.
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