Drove both the Cybertruck and the Sierra EV... There is a clear winner!

Torrid said:
Its shocking to me how heavy GM's electric trucks are. I'm also impressed with how much lighter nearly every Tesla is. I think that's the benefit of spartan interiors and "cheap" materials(though I don't think it feels cheap in my opinion). My Model Y Performance weighs in at 4,400lbs and the RWD Model 3 is 3,800lbs.
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It's a function mainly of steel V aluminum in the frames and battery cradles, and how many parts overall.

The spartan interiors save some but nothing like the rest of the formula.
 
UncleDave said:
It's a function mainly of steel V aluminum in the frames and battery cradles, and how many parts overall.

The spartan interiors save some but nothing like the rest of the formula.
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Oh for sure, but obviously Tesla took some measures to save weight, whether they may have some side effects or not.
 
dogememe said:
You can feel the difference in weight when you drive it, that's one of the reasons I think the Cybertruck drives and handles so much better than the Sierra EV. Yes, the weight of the Sierra EV's battery is in part because it's a much higher capacity (205kwh vs 122kwh on the CT), so you lose range (especially when towing), but for me, it doesn't matter.

What's actually impressive is how light the Cybertruck is for what it is. My Prologue (a mid sized ish SUV) weighs 5200lbs. The Cybertruck AWD weighs 6600lbs. Keep in mind the Prologue has an 85kwh battery. Just goes to show how far ahead Tesla is in efficiency and weight savings. Now, there is some downside to this... serviceability. On GM Ultium platform vehicles like the Prologue or Sierra EV, you can (in theory) take the pack out, disassemble the modules, and rebuild it. From my understanding, on Teslas, it's much more difficult to do that as it uses a bunch of cylindrical cells glued together into one big blob.
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A guy in Boulder Colorado rebuilds battery packs for vehicles like the Prius and others. Sandy Munro showed the Cybertruck battery pack. It from memory is glued between sheets making it more or less impossible to replace bad cells.
 
97prizm said:
A guy in Boulder Colorado rebuilds battery packs for vehicles like the Prius and others. Sandy Munro showed the Cybertruck battery pack. It from memory is glued between sheets making it more or less impossible to replace bad cells.
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That's pretty typical for Tesla batteries. I've seen plenty of videos on battery rebuilds and it is involved for the process of keeping the cells sealed, but doable. I have a feeling if I had to do it I'd be inventing cuss words.
 
The clear Winner $48k
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paqza said:
If they last that long
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According to recent reports Tesla has 250 million dollars of Cybertruck inventory sitting on lots. A smart CEO and smart upper management know when to throw in the towel and say the tried. The build quality is appallingly bad. I'm trying to figure out how Tesla plans on erasing the foundation series logos on Cybertrucks as they were etched into the bodywork.
 
97prizm said:
According to recent reports Tesla has 250 million dollars of Cybertruck inventory sitting on lots. A smart CEO and smart upper management know when to throw in the towel and say the tried. The build quality is appallingly bad. I'm trying to figure out how Tesla plans on erasing the foundation series logos on Cybertrucks as they were etched into the bodywork.
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The craziest part to me is that they had a perfectly usable platform underpinning the Model 3 and Y. If they had put our something semi-conventional with their "normal" styling competing with lifestyle trucks like the Maverick, Ridgeline, and Hyundai Santa Cruz, I think they would've sold a huge number of units. They also would've spent way less in R&D, the product would've been on the market years earlier, and there would've been way less embarrassment.

The CyberTruck is symbolic in all the wrong ways.
 
dogememe said:
Sure, meanwhile the GMC dealer had a lot full of $100K ICE Sierras, Sierra EVs, and Hummer EVs, and the local Chevy & Cadillac has multiple Escalade IQs sitting there. But the Equinox EV? They sell within a couple days. We love ours, it's great for the price. So don't think I have an issue with GM, I really don't.

The high end, expensive cars of all brands are NOT selling well. Tesla, GM, you name it, they have pricey stuff sitting. Tesla needs to get the price of Cybertruck down and maybe work on an SUV variant. Something like a CyberYukon (obviously not called a Yukon but you get my point). Now THAT would be PERFECT.

And while we're talking Tesla, the S and X need a refresh, BAD. Sure, the S has had updates, some fairly significant, but it still looks the same as it did 10 years ago. For a high end vehicle, that's rough. At the very least they need to bring the 48V architecture and 800V-class battery pack from Cybertruck into the S and X.
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Back when the CyberTruck was supposed to be a 6 seater with 350 miles of range for $39k, I would've considered overlooking the obscene design choices.
 
paqza said:
Back when the CyberTruck was supposed to be a 6 seater with 350 miles of range for $39k, I would've considered overlooking the obscene design choices.
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People forget that the design was supposed to be more efficient than a normal EV truck and cheap (pre-release) they were talking $37.5K, actual was way off.

The truck seemed to get taller, wider and heavier as it went along from concept to pre-release
 
I find it crazy that the quarter panels and some of the other panels on the Tesla cyber truck are just glued on. People have had the panels separating especially in cold weather.
 
E365 said:
It’s part of a LONG list of features they lied about when they took people’s money as deposit.

We learned about another recently. Lane centering is not available without FSD, despite telling buyers otherwise.

A truly scummy company.
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Apparently it was and they removed it. I’m not sure the reasoning why. That said Teslas is not lane keep assist. It’s very rigid lane centering and I find it to be wildly dangerous. You’re not able to bias towards a side of a lane if a car approaches too closely and it takes a jerk of the wheel to override it and then it completely disengages.

I don’t know what Tesla was thinking with these features. The people that love it and think it is great scare the heck out of me. For me it’s an easy solution. I don’t use any of it, FSD or otherwise.
 
Torrid said:
I mean per vehicle in each segment. When it comes to EVs, Tesla is typically the lightest vehicles in each segment even when they're the same size.

I'm with you when it comes to trucks. The very thing that trucks are capable of doing are the biggest shortcoming with EVs. As far as range anxiety goes if that takes a 9k lb EV pickup truck to haul a couple of people and not much else, there are much better options, but it will be popular because people want trucks even if they don't need it to do truck stuff.
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The only things EV trucks don't do well is tow/haul heavy stuff long distances. My truck is really good at doing truck stuff around town. It's just not going to be able to go far on the highway with a full load, but I don't do that anyway.
 
Brons2 said:
The only things EV trucks don't do well is tow/haul heavy stuff long distances. My truck is really good at doing truck stuff around town. It's just not going to be able to go far on the highway with a full load, but I don't do that anyway.
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I agree 100%. For the time I spend on the highway there's nothing a truck will do for me that any other car couldn't do. Actually using it as a truck is an issue for longer distances, which I don't do short or long distance 99% of the time. I like the Lightning and did consider it, but it just didn't make sense for me. Now if they had given it to me for the price I was trying to get it for, I very well might have bought it. I still think the Model Y was a better fit for me and I remember how tight a fit my last F150 was in my garage. I still like the Lightning though.

Worst case scenario I have a rubber mat in my cargo area and have hauled copious stuff for home landscaping. That's about as extreme as I get, bags of dirt, plants, and some mulch.
 
Torrid said:
Its shocking to me how heavy GM's electric trucks are. I'm also impressed with how much lighter nearly every Tesla is. I think that's the benefit of spartan interiors and "cheap" materials(though I don't think it feels cheap in my opinion). My Model Y Performance weighs in at 4,400lbs and the RWD Model 3 is 3,800lbs.
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The interiors have very little to go with it. It has to go with powertrain and chassis optimization. The Model 3 and Y are not quite but close to parity with similar non-EVs. CyberTruck, specifically, goes too far in the other direction, though - its suspension is woefully inadequate for the forces a vehicle with those specs and use cases would see. Just look up a photo of the control arms - it's embarrassing.
 
paqza said:
The interiors have very little to go with it. It has to go with powertrain and chassis optimization. The Model 3 and Y are not quite but close to parity with similar non-EVs. CyberTruck, specifically, goes too far in the other direction, though - its suspension is woefully inadequate for the forces a vehicle with those specs and use cases would see. Just look up a photo of the control arms - it's embarrassing.
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I didn't think the interior stuff mattered much, but it adds up. I know many complain about the battery being structural to the car, but that's how they save weight.

The Cybertruck in my opinion isn't even worthy of a comment at this point. It's just a massive joke.
 
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