Don't try to rob elderly tourists

[Al]

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Respectfully, no, Pablo's not correct.

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I think Pablo's main point was that the victim's inlaws would scurry out of the woodwork and initiate lawsuits. This only requires a simple majority of jurrors for a monitaty award. . And the "Defendant" needs to hire a lawyer to defend himself.

I can legally carry a concealed handgun..but its pointless bc using would make my family poor via a lawsuit. I'd rather just be dead.

 

[GeaugaFletcher]

Oklahoma has good 'castle' laws. If someone breaks into your home, the law presupposes they intend to do you bodily harm. You automatically have permission to defend yourself (and your family) and have protection from criminal and civil liability. You're meant to respond reasonably, matching force for force - that's the grey area - but Okies are sensible, even the Authorities.

Not only that, we have a 'stand your ground' law, where normal citizens have no duty to retreat. We have the right to forcibly stop the commission of a felony with a gun or otherwise. Witness two recent instances of grocery store patrons shooting armed robbers. No charges, no nothing, just a positive write-up in the paper.

There's nowhere I'd rather live right now.

 

[moribundman]

In Germany we have the "Notwehr" (emergency defense) that allows killing in order to prevent harm to one's own or someone else's life, health, freedom, honor or property and laws that del very specifically with it. All in all it's very similar to the stand-your-ground laws that so many US states have. Common sense is very much part of these laws. Nobody will take issue with anybody mowing down a burglar. As soon as one can claim to rightfully feared for his life, health, freedom, honor or property, one may take out the aggressor. As much as a dirty look in the right place at the right time and place is enough reason to act with force. The force used must be reasonable: For example, you wouldn't empty a whole clip into the neighbor's kid who is stealing apples from your tree, but you may of course mow down a burglar in your living room with extreme prejudice.

 

[sprintman]

Kill somebody here your in deep do do. Life is sacrosanct, we will keep it that way.

 

[moribundman]

"del" was supposed to say "deal" in my previous post.

I'm absolutely not in favor of playing the role of the sheepish victim if under attack. Of course it's easier for law enforcement to sort things out with, for example, a family raped and murdered and the perp at large compared to a dead perp and the victim alive. It just complicates things.

 

[alreadygone]

Mori, glad to hear Germany's not like the woosies in England! Havewondered about other nations in Europe. Pretty certain Swedes don't have much crime since all citizens are part of the milita and required to keep state issued full auto's in their home (or so I've read).


CBD Frontier, believe I've read recently in NRA magazine that TX had just passed a very pro defense version of the "Castle Doctrine" Laws.

Sprintman, There are some very "sacrosant" US citizens I'd like to send you, maybe you could find another island continent to colonize ?

Bob

 

[moribundman]

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Mori, glad to hear Germany's not like the woosies in England! Havewondered about other nations in Europe.

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There are very strict rules about purchasing, owning, and carrying firearms in Germany. Defending your own life and that of those in need is absolutely allowed.

What many people don't know is that purchasing and owning firearms requires a different kind of permit than carrying a firearm in Germany. We don't need a carrying license to have or use one or several firearms on our own property.

Firearms under 7.5 Joules power and front loaders do not require any permit. Firearms can be bought by anyone over the age of 18 who meets the required criteria. In case of large caliber weapons, you have to be at least 21 years old.

Requirements for firearm ownership:

- minimum age (18/21)
- clean police record
- mentally and physically able to safely handle a firearm
- demonstrates need for firearm: sports, hunter, weapons expert, collector, endangered person
- demonstrates knowledge about firearms law and technical knowledge
- passes physical and psychological exam

 

[Shannow]

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Kill somebody here your in deep do do. Life is sacrosanct, we will keep it that way.

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Yep, like the bouncer who killed David Hooks, the lowlifes who ended a guy in town's life and will not be charged, Chopper Read writing books, and running tours of his history.

 

[MarkC]

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Mori, glad to hear Germany's not like the woosies in England! Havewondered about other nations in Europe. Pretty certain Swedes don't have much crime since all citizens are part of the milita and required to keep state issued full auto's in their home (or so I've read).


CBD Frontier, believe I've read recently in NRA magazine that TX had just passed a very pro defense version of the "Castle Doctrine" Laws.

Sprintman, There are some very "sacrosant" US citizens I'd like to send you, maybe you could find another island continent to colonize ?

Bob

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I think you're referring to Switzerland, not Sweden, though maybe the Swedes do this as well. However, Switzerland had very strict gun regulations and the firearms that are required to be kept are military rifles and must be locked up. Seventy-two rounds are issued and must be accounted for. As for civilian weapons, there is handgun registration, and ammunition is also required to be registered. Switzerland has the world's second highest handgun ownership as well as the second highest rate of murders by handguns.
But this is diverging from the topic a bit.
I did read today that the would-be robber's family is complaining about there being no charges against his victim.

 

[moribundman]

The Swedes have the strictest firearms laws of all Scandinavian countries. Self-defense is of course also allowed. In Switzerland you are more likely to die from boredom than from lead poisoning. Or you might slip on a cow cookie and hit your head on a cow bell or on an alphorn.