Does Royal Purple meet 2005-2007 warranty requirem

[TimVipond]

I noticed Royal Purple's oils do not include API SM or GF-4 designations. Does that mean they will not meet the warranty requirements of 2005 and newer vehicles that state the oils must meet these designations?

 

[KBFXDLI]

Some of Redlines SP Heavy gear oils dont' either.

 

[TimVipond]

I found this response in another thread.

Tony,

The 5W20 is made using Group IV and Group I base stocks.

We are not coming out with a 5W20, 5W30 or 10W30 API SM rated oil as these
have reduced antiwear components to protect catalytic converters. The
government thinks there is a direct relationship to the amount of poisoning
of the catalyst with the amount of additives in the oil - but does not take
into account the volatility of those ad packs nor the sealing in the ring
area.

What kind of car and year do you have?
The SM only applies to some 05 and up vehicles.
RP feels so strongly about the superior antiwear of the SL that we will
offer warranty on a 2006 vehicle using the RP SL appropriate oil if the oil
is the cause of a failure and the OEM denies warranty based on using an SL
rated oil.

Happy Holidays.

David

David Canitz
Tech Services Manager
Royal Purple Ltd
1 Royal Purple Lane
Porter, TX 77365
281-354-8600 x202
281-354-7335 fax
713-725-7207 cell
[email protected]


> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tony Cornell [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 4:42 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Cc: [email protected]
> > Subject: Royal Purple 5w20...
> >
> > I'm sure you probably cant disclose this, but can you tell me
> > if this oil is made of Grp III, IV, or V base stock? Does it
> > contain any PAO?
> >
> > Also, will you be trying for API SM certification at any
> > point in the near future?
> >
> > Thanks for your time and help.

So it looks like the auto manufacturers warranty might not pay for an oil related failure, but Royal Purple says they will. I cannot find a copy of Royal Purple's warranty nor can I find any info about them at www.bbb.org. Anybody have a warranty issue with Royal Purple?

 

[salesrep]

Call them and ask them if they will. And ask for a copy of said warranty.

 

[TimVipond]

I emailed them earlier today about API SM and GF-4 and waiting for response. I will call them tomorrow and ask for a copy of their warranty.

I also asked the Better Business Bureau for a report since one isn't available. Did the same for Matrix Lubricants. Anybody hear of them? They are pretty common in Houston.

 

[Wrehch]

They do have ONE API SM rated oil. Here's a list of all of their API licensed oils.

ROYAL PURPLE 10W-30 CF-4,CG-4,CH-4,CI-4/SL August 8, 2007
ROYAL PURPLE 10W-30 SL* August 8, 2007
ROYAL PURPLE 10W-40 CF-4,CG-4,CH-4,CI-4/SL August 8, 2007
ROYAL PURPLE 15W-40 CF-4,CG-4,CH-4,CI-4/SL** August 8, 2007
ROYAL PURPLE 20W-50 CF,CF-4/SJ August 8, 2007
ROYAL PURPLE 30 CF,CF-2/SJ August 8, 2007
ROYAL PURPLE 40 CF,CF-2/SJ August 8, 2007
ROYAL PURPLE 50 CF,CF-2/SJ August 8, 2007
ROYAL PURPLE 5W-20 SL* August 8, 2007
ROYAL PURPLE 5W-30 SL* August 8, 2007
ROYAL PURPLE 5W-40 SM/CF August 8, 2007
ROYAL PURPLE DD 40 CF-2 August 8, 2007
ROYAL PURPLE LONG RIDER 10W-30 CF-4,CG-4,CH-4,CI-4/SL August 8, 2007
ROYAL PURPLE LONG RIDER 15W-40 CF-4,CG-4,CH-4,CI-4/SL** August 8, 2007
ROYAL PURPLE LONG RIDER 40 CF,CF-2 August 8, 2007
ROYAL PURPLE LONG RIDER DD 40 CF-2 August 8, 2007
ROYAL PURPLE LONG RIDER PLUS 10W-30 CI-4/SL August 8, 2007
ROYAL PURPLE LONG RIDER PLUS 15W-40 CI-4/SL August 8, 2007

 

[toocrazy2yoo]

SERIOUSLY, now. Is a Stealer really able, and I mean able in scientific/legal terms, to prove the oil in the sump of a failed engine is SL or SM? If you didn't tell them it was RP, would they REALLY be able to figure it out? Would they go to the expense? I mean, it takes ages to get the scoop on the M1, would they really tie up a repair for days or weeks on a warranty claim to try to get out of the repair on that basis? Could they even get away with it? A visibly sludged engine that clearly has not had an OCI for say, 40,000 miles is an easy case. But a car maintained on RP? Who would know?

Nonetheless, and no offense to Royal Purple, but the lack of API certification just seems like a needless complication to a car under warranty when there are so many PCMOs to go to with confidence..

 

[TimVipond]

I would think a simple $20 oil analysis may be able to reveal that an oil does not meet API SM. API SM oils have lower amounts of antiwear metals. Plus, what if they asked you which oil you used. I don't think I'm going to chance it. It seems there are better choices for less money.

 

[buster]

The additives that replace ZDDP are more expensive. Redline has the belief that ZDDP is still the best anti-wear additive on the market, even more so than boron. I believe it's a combination of cost and the markets they target (racing) as to why they don't go the SM route.

 

[dave1251]

Iron 1
Chromium _____1_________0_________0
Nickel ________0__________0_________0
Aluminum _____31________13________10
lead __________2_________3_________0
Copper _______19________16_________0
Tin ___________5_________2_________1
Silver _________0__________0________1
Titanium ______0__________0_________0
Silicon _______21_________12_________7
Boron ________87_________9_________2
Sodium ______13_________12________18
Potassium _____5__________1_______0
Molybdenum __ 446________557______617
Phosphorus ___1120_______1225_____1431
Zinc _________1303________304_____1466
Calcium _____ 1727_______2475_____2986
Barium _______87_________9_________1
Magnesium ____1124______170_______11
Antimony ______5_________2_________2
Vanadium ______0_________0_________0
Fuel %Vol _____neg______neg________neg
Abs Oxid ______x_________x__________x
Abs Nitr _______x_________x__________x
Wtr %vol ______0_________0__________0
Vis CS 100C __11.4_______9.2_________9.2
SAE Grade ____30________20_________20
Gly test ______neg_______neg_________POS
TBN _________not done____x_________x
Particles Counts:
>5__________44864___81592______18349
>10_________3703_____4273_______3508
>15_________318______608________1255
>20_________109______350________523
>25_________42_______252________239
>50_________5________118_________27
>75_________1_________90__________6
>100________0_________64__________1

aehaas


Aluminum .....0
Chromium .....0
Iron .........1
Copper .......0
Lead .........0
Tin ..........0
Molybdenum 109
Nickel .......0
Manganese ....0
Silver .......0
Titanium .....0
Potassium ....1
Boron .......65
Silicon ......2
Sodium .....249
Calcium ...1237
Magnesium ....3
Phosphorus 520
Zinc .......620
Barium .......0
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-
Viscosity @ 210F ....53.9
Flashpoint ...........39

Buster the top is Redline 5W-20 the VOA is on the right.
The bottom is exxon 5W-20 both VOA's.

So where is the boatload of boron and other AW additives in the exxon. I see 109 for moly. 65 for boron for exxon. 617 moly and 2 for redline.

Seeing that exxon is conventional it should need more AW additives to meet GF-4 specs.

So the agrument that redline only uses ZDDP an AW additive and skip's the other more expensive ones is not accurate.

Seeing how it stacks up very well with the largest oil company in the world's 5W-20.

 

[badtlc]

I'm the one who posted that RP information and they have told me twice they are not pursuing SM certification at this point because they feel it is a step backwards in technology.

As for your car warranty, it all depends on the car. My 2006 Mazda only calls for API SL or better for warranty purposes. Which, RP meets just fine.

 

[dbvettez06]

Great oil. but,,,not worth the hasle if something did go wrong.....

 

[jmac]

'bout the only thing that could go wrong is you might have to replace a cat. converter in 100K miles or so, and even that is preety slim most likely. Run it with confidence IMO.

 

[buster]

I never said RL doesn't use other high quality anti-wear additives. Don't put words in my mouth.

When Joe Gibb's, M1R, LQ, RL, RP all stop using higher levels ZDDP, I'll be more convinced it's not needed for high end racing applications. As stated a billion times, API SM is a step forward for modern engines and does take into account flat tappet engine cams.

 

[KBFXDLI]

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Great oil. but,,,not worth the hasle if something did go wrong.....

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My thoughts exactly....thats why I won't use redline in the car until the warranty is expired.

 

[KBFXDLI]

Who cares? Go get some Pennzoil Platinum (which is SM rated) for $2.89/qt at AAP until 1/27 in the BOGOF sale. You will get the same service out of it.

 

[toocrazy2yoo]

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Who cares? Go get some Pennzoil Platinum (which is SM rated) for $2.89/qt at AAP until 1/27 in the BOGOF sale. You will get the same service out of it.

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Yeah, it's not worth the trouble, but I come from a a place of tyranny: The New Car Warranty. And you can't deny the price. I just stoked the fire with QS Torque-Power syn, 2-4-1 and done. What's not to like for 7500, anyway? AA here had the Purple for 7 or 8 bucks a quart, I don't need the additives, and for that price, I'm off to Amsoil or one of the other boutiques. I still fail to see how they could make it stick in terms of denial of a claim.