Does Honda make Toyota Engines?
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I am not bad mouthing Toyota but they cant come close to the Honda's electric motor smoothness at high rpm and if low end grunt is what you are looking for, drive a diesel Camry and you will see what throttle response can be from a four cylinder,no gasoline 4 cylinder can come to that kind of sweet workman like torque that a diesel generates, the Honda Accord diesel too is promising to be a superb performer.
Yes V-TEC and VVTI take the different approach.
As for performance and sports pedigree, just take a look at Honda's record at Indy and F-1, need I say more, also the Supra maybe a truly good sports car but it is nowhere in the league of the Honda NSX.
I like both but would give Honda a nod in terms of my personal taste and perceptions plus in my personal experience, Honda engines outlast Toyota although not by much.
Yes V-TEC and VVTI take the different approach.
As for performance and sports pedigree, just take a look at Honda's record at Indy and F-1, need I say more, also the Supra maybe a truly good sports car but it is nowhere in the league of the Honda NSX.
I like both but would give Honda a nod in terms of my personal taste and perceptions plus in my personal experience, Honda engines outlast Toyota although not by much.
Yamaha made the engine for the first Supra made by Toyota, one of the reasons I love and adore that straight six, one of the smoothest around with power. After that most Supras including the recent ones have had one or other input from Yamaha's engineering division, speaking of Yamaha's engine history, the Ford Taurus SHO was another one to get Yamaha designed engine, sadly in a very wrong application unlike the Supra.
Now only if Toyota would let Yamaha do a Genesis 5 Valve job on the Supra engine, NSX would be inn for some serious competition.
Now only if Toyota would let Yamaha do a Genesis 5 Valve job on the Supra engine, NSX would be inn for some serious competition.
I will agree that both Toyota and Honda make excellent products. Handa bias's for high rpm peak HP and Toyota goes after drivability, broad power band and low end torgue. Toyta has never been one to go after peak HP!
I agree that Toyota makes the best automatics on the planet but their manual transmission have horable shift fill! They do tend to be durable though! No one makes that perfect car and it is also about comprimises! I prefere good low end torque, durability and low maintence above all else. Fit and finish are second.
P.S. If I had my way Toyoat would make and sell a solid axle hilux 4x4 with a hino diesel in it with manual windows and a PTO at the front and rear with a winch here in the USA!
I agree that Toyota makes the best automatics on the planet but their manual transmission have horable shift fill! They do tend to be durable though! No one makes that perfect car and it is also about comprimises! I prefere good low end torque, durability and low maintence above all else. Fit and finish are second.
P.S. If I had my way Toyoat would make and sell a solid axle hilux 4x4 with a hino diesel in it with manual windows and a PTO at the front and rear with a winch here in the USA!
To my taste, engines of this ilk make me think, "psychotic large cat OD-ing on speed. . ." Not a bad sound, but not exactly something I want to listen to on a regular basis.
The Indian army was manufacturing and using a 1969 Nissan Patrol with the in-line gasoline six cylinder till the late 80s, then they decided that gas was too expensive to run so they decided to put the HINO 4 cylinder in it. I own one of those beasts but sadly the antiquated three speed can hardly match HINO's torque characteristics so the transmission is a weak link, however the overall 69 Patrol was a strong package with heavy duty chassis and body so it is loads of fun.
Just a hunch, but I'm guessing that you don't get much of that Honda F1 soundtrack from this monster. . .
I personally think high-performance inline-6s have the best exhaust notes...just my two cents...
I dunno, you can't beat the sound of my 1981 Suzuki GS1100E aircooled inline four when I have the competition baffle removed. Nobody ever wants to ride behind me when it is out but I'm okay with that. I don't take it out if I'm going into town as pedestrians shriek and run for their lives when I pin it.
When I hit 11,000 RPM the noise is so bad you can hear me for miles away.
Steve
Steve
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Originally posted by ekpolk:
Just a hunch, but I'm guessing that you don't get much of that Honda F1 soundtrack from this monster. . .
No to hear the F-1 growl of the Honda, I usually travel to Sepang or Germany but I do have a 2002 HRC kitted Accord V6 as well as a HRC kitted Honda RC 45 which do come quite close toe the F-1 sound at higher RPMs, the HINO is a nasty, rowdy beast which just tells you that it is ready to devour anything on its path.
I disagree.... it's impossible to top a race tuned V8. Varooom! baketa baketa baketa!
-Bret
Sound? You're all wrong.....
How about 16 cylinders/6250hp/twin turbo GE?
http://www.railroadforums.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=3476&sort=1&cat=500&page=5
beat that.....thhpppptt
How about 16 cylinders/6250hp/twin turbo GE?
http://www.railroadforums.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=3476&sort=1&cat=500&page=5
beat that.....thhpppptt
nah... those huge diesels don't have a great exhaust note, they're just loud. I built an noise abatement enclosure for a CAT genset about 8 years ago. it was a V12 and burnt something like 200-300 gallons a day. it was also ungodly loud, I'd have a headset AND earplugs in and it still hurt. the locals constantly complained about it, but there was nothing they could do, the local power grid couldn't support the business's power needs.
-Bret
-Bret
I believe that Hyundai owns Kia totally, no mazda anymore. Hyundai makes there own stuff now. I don't think they get there designs from Mitsubishi anymore.
Toyota Owns Daihastu.
That's what it sounds like in the KIA website.
Toyota also owns Denso, HINO and others, it is a huge conglomerate, the amazing fact is that Toyota was among the most profitable company last year and yet, they devoted 60% of their earnings into R&D, show me one company apart from Honda who would be willing to do that or the fact that the shareholders were willing to forgo their dividend earnings for the company.
the current hyundai 4WDs in Oz are based on old mitsubishi chassis and running gear...next lot might be different.
As to engine notes, I was pretty chuffed with the 12 cylinder 2 stroke that used to be the starter motor on the Gas Turbines at work. Air start, one or two revs, then full noise to drag the turbine up to self sustaining speed.
I like these noises personally http://home.mira.net/~iwd/av/sound.html
As to engine notes, I was pretty chuffed with the 12 cylinder 2 stroke that used to be the starter motor on the Gas Turbines at work. Air start, one or two revs, then full noise to drag the turbine up to self sustaining speed.
I like these noises personally http://home.mira.net/~iwd/av/sound.html
Hyundai actually started making cars based wholly on Mitsu designs(the 1st Excels sold here were based on Mitsu Colts, old Sonatas were Galant..).
Kia used to be Ford/Mazda aligned(the old Ford Festiva sold was actually a Kia..) and now via the DC thru Hyundai conduit.
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