Does FRAM do more validation testing than other filter manufacturers?
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IF they have such resources, why are they still using 1950's technology?
Do their filters work? Sure they do. So whether you're using 1950s technology or 2005 technology, its a matter of getting the job done, right?
So with the current technology that they're using in their filters, and it works, and they're able to pass FRAM's validation testing, then it passes their standards.
I guess they can't be to substandard if Honda considers their filters acceptable.
Michael
"Do their filters work? Sure they do. So whether you're using 1950s technology or 2005 technology, its a matter of getting the job done, right?"
Or one can get the job done better.
It's their attitude toward progress. When it's easy to improve something, then why not?
"So with the current technology that they're using in their filters, and it works, and they're able to pass FRAM's validation testing, then it passes their standards."
I would ASUME it passes THEIR stds. It's just that their stds. don't meet MY stds.
YOU ARE ASUMING it works-
"I guess they can't be to substandard if Honda considers their filters acceptable."
But why settle for "average" if better can be had for the same money?
Besides, the FRAM built Honda is a better filter than the FRAM built FRAM.
I wouldn't use either.
Or one can get the job done better.
It's their attitude toward progress. When it's easy to improve something, then why not?
"So with the current technology that they're using in their filters, and it works, and they're able to pass FRAM's validation testing, then it passes their standards."
I would ASUME it passes THEIR stds. It's just that their stds. don't meet MY stds.
YOU ARE ASUMING it works-
"I guess they can't be to substandard if Honda considers their filters acceptable."
But why settle for "average" if better can be had for the same money?
Besides, the FRAM built Honda is a better filter than the FRAM built FRAM.
I wouldn't use either.
Paper end caps.
After all, they are one of the largest (if not the largest) filter manufacturers. Even if their filters are not top-notch, would they happen to have more resources to do more validation testing with their filter than smaller filter manufacturers?
Michael
Michael
Do we know if anybody was using paper end caps in the 50's?
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Yet another Fram support Thread...Haven't we all been through this before..??
Most were. Of course, most were cartridge type filters instead of spin ons.
My memories of cartridge filters are vague, but I remember orange painted perforated metal housings. No idea what was inside. Anybody know how the early spin ons were built?
I think the answer is you will never know. Its quite common in many industries to do tons of testing, but only publish the test results that help with your marketing efforts. You have got to believe that Fram knows how their filters compare with almost all other filters, especially the ones in the price point they are trying to hit.
Michael is FRAMMing us with all his earnest-sounding questions. All together (to the Monty Python tune): FRAM, FRAM, FRAM, FRAM, FRAM, FRAM.....
FRAM applies their 'technology' to the outside of the can. Ahhh, GRIPPY!
FRAM applies their 'technology' to the outside of the can. Ahhh, GRIPPY!
A lot of people say: Fram uses cheap cardboard end caps and a cheap bypass valve; therefore, the media is likely cheap as well.
An alternative argument: Fram cuts costs on their endcaps and bypass valves so that they can spend the money on top quality media and still sell for a good price.
I can only guess which one is true, but I can make an educated guess based on visual inspection and grease oil filter study.
An alternative argument: Fram cuts costs on their endcaps and bypass valves so that they can spend the money on top quality media and still sell for a good price.
I can only guess which one is true, but I can make an educated guess based on visual inspection and grease oil filter study.
What real benefits have metal end caps given us?
The e-core design also does away with metal end caps and the metal center tube (OMG!!). Some car manufacturers are going back to the cartridge type filter. Not saying if everyone uses it, it must be good. Just trying to determine what benefit are all these people are giving up?
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