Now that it is hard to find gas in my area with no ethanol I was wondering does anyone know if ethanol has any effect on crankcase oil like contaminating it??
Does ethanol effect oil??
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I wouldn't be surprised if gasoline with 10% ethanol causes LESS damage to engine oil. Ethanol is higher octane than gasoline, burns cleaner, cleans the fuel system, works as anti-freeze in fuel lines, and absorbs water. Yes, mileage with E10 is about 3% worse. So what? Driving style makes a 30-40% difference.
Originally Posted By: Bruce T
Ethanol is higher octane than gasoline ...
True, the E10 is used to help obtain the advertised octane rating shown on the pump sticker ... which means they can use less of the other octane additives to achieve the same octane rating of the blended E10 brew.
Ethanol is higher octane than gasoline ...
True, the E10 is used to help obtain the advertised octane rating shown on the pump sticker ... which means they can use less of the other octane additives to achieve the same octane rating of the blended E10 brew.
E85 is 105 octane
Yes E10 hurts the motor. The Combustion byproducts (conjugated Dienes)are nasty. Go to NORIA.com forums and ask Motorbike or Callissa.
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I run ethanol in my race car and does not seem to hurt a thing. Now METHANOL is a different story.
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I run ethanol in my race car and does not seem to hurt a thing. Now METHANOL is a different story.
Multiport FI or carb?
I run ethanol in my race car and does not seem to hurt a thing. Now METHANOL is a different story.
Multiport FI or carb?
Modified Barry Grant 850 and a mechanical fuel pump.
Originally Posted By: KW
Modified Barry Grant 850 and a mechanical fuel pump.
Thats a BIG carb - hope your runnning a big block or twisting your SB to 9 grand.
Modified Barry Grant 850 and a mechanical fuel pump.
Thats a BIG carb - hope your runnning a big block or twisting your SB to 9 grand.
The hurt is more on the FI low comp smog motor.
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Originally Posted By: KW
Modified Barry Grant 850 and a mechanical fuel pump.
Thats a BIG carb - hope your runnning a big block or twisting your SB to 9 grand.
HaHa! It was on a 383 until I broke it, now believe it or not it's on a 307 I spin to 7500. I always figured the 850 was on the small side for a 383. I just finished up a 402 with a 1050 and square port heads. It's limited to 7500 like the 307 due to hyd. lifters.
Originally Posted By: KW
Modified Barry Grant 850 and a mechanical fuel pump.
Thats a BIG carb - hope your runnning a big block or twisting your SB to 9 grand.
HaHa! It was on a 383 until I broke it, now believe it or not it's on a 307 I spin to 7500. I always figured the 850 was on the small side for a 383. I just finished up a 402 with a 1050 and square port heads. It's limited to 7500 like the 307 due to hyd. lifters.
Originally Posted By: callbay
Now that it is hard to find gas in my area with no ethanol I was wondering does anyone know if ethanol has any effect on crankcase oil like contaminating it??
Amsoil has this to say about using its 5w-40 Diesel Oil (DEO) in gasoline engines:
"Note: Extended drain intervals are not recommended when using biofuels containing >10% ethanol or 5% biodiesel (B5). Follow OEM drain intervals or extend drain intervals with oil analysis."
So I guess it means you can still extend your non-analyzed OCIs just as long as there is no more than 10 percent ethanol in the gasoline. But at 11 percent, forget about it.
Now that it is hard to find gas in my area with no ethanol I was wondering does anyone know if ethanol has any effect on crankcase oil like contaminating it??
Amsoil has this to say about using its 5w-40 Diesel Oil (DEO) in gasoline engines:
"Note: Extended drain intervals are not recommended when using biofuels containing >10% ethanol or 5% biodiesel (B5). Follow OEM drain intervals or extend drain intervals with oil analysis."
So I guess it means you can still extend your non-analyzed OCIs just as long as there is no more than 10 percent ethanol in the gasoline. But at 11 percent, forget about it.
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Well, I'm sure it's not a sharp cliff that has the floor drop out from under you @ 11% ..but I read that as meaning that from that point, in their opinion, YMMV.
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Yes E10 hurts the motor. The Combustion byproducts (conjugated Dienes)are nasty. Go to NORIA.com forums and ask Motorbike or Callissa.
ARCOgraphite, you're much more knowledgeable than me, as are many of the guys on the Noria forums. At the same time, I wonder why the standards for Top Tier Gasoline require 8-10% ethanol, since they're all about deposit control. I honestly don't know how to resolve these differences in expert opinion.
Yes E10 hurts the motor. The Combustion byproducts (conjugated Dienes)are nasty. Go to NORIA.com forums and ask Motorbike or Callissa.
ARCOgraphite, you're much more knowledgeable than me, as are many of the guys on the Noria forums. At the same time, I wonder why the standards for Top Tier Gasoline require 8-10% ethanol, since they're all about deposit control. I honestly don't know how to resolve these differences in expert opinion.
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Well, I'm sure it's not a sharp cliff that has the floor drop out from under you @ 11% ..but I read that as meaning that from that point, in their opinion, YMMV.
Yep, I was being facetious when I said forget about it at 11 percent. Last I heard two years ago, folks in Minnesota are up to 15 percent ethanol in their gas. They'll need a federal bailout in 7 years after the state is declared an automotive disaster area {Lol}
Well, I'm sure it's not a sharp cliff that has the floor drop out from under you @ 11% ..but I read that as meaning that from that point, in their opinion, YMMV.
Yep, I was being facetious when I said forget about it at 11 percent. Last I heard two years ago, folks in Minnesota are up to 15 percent ethanol in their gas. They'll need a federal bailout in 7 years after the state is declared an automotive disaster area {Lol}
Many manuals say to change the oil more frequently if high alcohol fuels are used. Shorter than severe service intervals.
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Many manuals say to change the oil more frequently if high alcohol fuels are used. Shorter than severe service intervals.
Hmm, very interesting.
Mother Earth sure won't like that. More oil changes and growing lots and lots of plants to dump ethanol down our car tanks. I think it's kind of obscene, and even immoral. I kind of think our mother says we should grow plants to eat, not waste her precious soil inside our cars.
Gang, ethanol is bad for our cars and bad for our mother
Many manuals say to change the oil more frequently if high alcohol fuels are used. Shorter than severe service intervals.
Hmm, very interesting.
Mother Earth sure won't like that. More oil changes and growing lots and lots of plants to dump ethanol down our car tanks. I think it's kind of obscene, and even immoral. I kind of think our mother says we should grow plants to eat, not waste her precious soil inside our cars.
Gang, ethanol is bad for our cars and bad for our mother
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I just read on line that it takes more BTU's to produce a gallon of ethanol than you get from burning the gallon of ethanol. Seems like a big waste to produce ethanal to me.
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Originally Posted By: callbay
I just read on line that it takes more BTU's to produce a gallon of ethanol than you get from burning the gallon of ethanol. Seems like a big waste to produce ethanal to me.
Ethanol has a 1.6:1 penalty while petroleum has a 1.2:1 penalty. If you used petroleum to provide the energy to produce ethanol, you would use half as much petroleum ..assuming you used 100% ethanol as your fuel and petroleum as your processing energy source.
When it comes to energy, it gets clouded real quick. The high cost of really PRODUCING energy makes the free ride stuff very precious.
I just read on line that it takes more BTU's to produce a gallon of ethanol than you get from burning the gallon of ethanol. Seems like a big waste to produce ethanal to me.
Ethanol has a 1.6:1 penalty while petroleum has a 1.2:1 penalty. If you used petroleum to provide the energy to produce ethanol, you would use half as much petroleum ..assuming you used 100% ethanol as your fuel and petroleum as your processing energy source.
When it comes to energy, it gets clouded real quick. The high cost of really PRODUCING energy makes the free ride stuff very precious.
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