Dodge Neon 2.0L - Piston Slapper? Wrist Pin?

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This is a friend's $300 junkyard car. I can't seem to find much googling around about this engine as to what would be considered "normal" noise or not.

This car was bought cheap on CL because it didn't run. Turns out someone overheated it so bad that it warped the head and blew the gasket - and would just fill all 4 cylinders with coolant and foul the plugs immediately.

Once it was back together, we drained about 9 quarts of coolant-y oil out. Surprisingly no sludge, so I don't believe it was run too long like this.

It has a horrible knock when cold- from the bottom end, not head. The oil pressure light was originally coming on only at warm idle, but it got to the point that it was on all the time.

After doing some research, it seems that the switch activates at 2PSI. It seemed that, less than 2PSI at 3000RPM would cause it to scatter parts.

We replaced the oil pressure switch and tested that it would detect low pressure (started car with it plugged in, grounded to block, but not in the engine) and it lit up. The light doesn't come on - so oil pressure is "good". No mechanical gauge to verify.

The knock would go away slightly when the engine would warm up. Monday night, we got some snow and sleet. After playing around in the car a bit in the snow ... there was a bit of red line, car was really beat on that night ... the knock was completely gone by the time we were done.

But as soon as it was sitting overnight it was knocking on cold start.

The engine itself runs really smooth. Once it warms up or gets beat on it's quiet.

Are these engines known for being a piston slapper? Or could it be something line a wrist pin worn out. Would lighter oil be called for?

The pistons look good from the top as do the bores (not melted down or scored).
 
Does the knock noise change with engine acceleration or deceleration? For example, I once had an Olds 307 that would really clack loud when the engine was decelerating. Someone told me that was a classic sign of worn wrist pins. I don't know if that is true or not, but that's what I was told at the time.
 
My 05 neon had slight piston noise but only for the first 30 sec after a cold start.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
My 05 neon had slight piston noise but only for the first 30 sec after a cold start.


Seems to be the typical noise of these engines - it just lasts a lot longer than I remember than other Chryco products with the variations of this engine.

Should be the same engine this is a 2002. 106000 miles and - as we recently discovered - the second transmission.


Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Does the knock noise change with engine acceleration or deceleration? For example, I once had an Olds 307 that would really clack loud when the engine was decelerating. Someone told me that was a classic sign of worn wrist pins. I don't know if that is true or not, but that's what I was told at the time.


It definitely changes as the engine speeds up and slows down - that is why I think it is at least piston (piston slap or wrist pin) related.
 
A wrist pin noise will get worse as engine heats and oil thins... This condition generally gets worse with after bouts of excessive RPM(safe red line for this beat engine is now more like 3500 RPMs)...

Likely the pistons expanded till they were tight against cylinder walls, causing excessive wear... Once they cooled down there is excessive clearance... Get them good and hot and they expand enough till noise is gone...
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
My 05 neon had slight piston noise but only for the first 30 sec after a cold start.


Agreed 2000 neon had same problem 2 years ago, when it was like 34*F outside and it was not because I switched to Mobil 1 that month. Last night-this morning it was 37*F and no abnormal sound.
 
I don't know a whole lot of specifics on the 2.0, but most of the Chrysler 4-cylinders derive a lot from the original 2.2, even thought he 2.0 and 2.4 are massively updated. The 2.2/2.5 were always known for a bit of wrist pin noise, but not on an individual cylinder like you're describing.

My S. W. A. G. would be that such a severe overheat partially collapsed the skirt on one piston, creating a chronic piston slap. REALLY pounding on it probably put enough heat into the piston to make it quiet, and then cooling off made it come back.

But for $300? Who gives a rip? :-)
 
Wrist pin will have a DOUBLE tap/rap at each piston reversal. A piston slap will have ONE slap/rap on the downward start of the compression stroke.
 
I have had some luck in the past quieting down noisy engines using Liqui Moly 2009 Anti Friction Oil Treatment. Seems like the extra moly helped. Could be worth a shot, I don't know. You can get it on Amazon and at your local NAPA store. If NAPA doesn't have it in stock they usually can get it the next day from the warehouse. worth a shot for only $8 or $9
 
Originally Posted By: TFB1
A wrist pin noise will get worse as engine heats and oil thins... This condition generally gets worse with after bouts of excessive RPM(safe red line for this beat engine is now more like 3500 RPMs)...

Likely the pistons expanded till they were tight against cylinder walls, causing excessive wear... Once they cooled down there is excessive clearance... Get them good and hot and they expand enough till noise is gone...



I think that is what it is then! It's only one tap.



Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
I don't know a whole lot of specifics on the 2.0, but most of the Chrysler 4-cylinders derive a lot from the original 2.2, even thought he 2.0 and 2.4 are massively updated. The 2.2/2.5 were always known for a bit of wrist pin noise, but not on an individual cylinder like you're describing.

My S. W. A. G. would be that such a severe overheat partially collapsed the skirt on one piston, creating a chronic piston slap. REALLY pounding on it probably put enough heat into the piston to make it quiet, and then cooling off made it come back.

But for $300? Who gives a rip? :-)



I think it is a piston issue caused by it being so severely overheated. It does have that distinct 2.2/2.5 sound ... can't describe it, but it sounds like a K car.

But it's a $300 car. He has a bit more in to it getting it running. Free snow tires (two old ones of mine and two I-Pikes from 2012 almost new) and it's a pretty good winter rat.
 
Sounds like a typical Neon. We Had a 98', 00', and 02'. They all did it, and that's even with the 98' and 00' bought new. My 02 did it the worst since it was the most neglected, bought used at 70K.
 
My brother had a 2.2 in an old Plymouth Sundance a long time ago that would knock once it warmed up. Sounded like a diesel. But the thing would still run well, had decent power as if it nothing was wrong with it. The car finally got junked with over 150K miles on it (but not because of the engine). The noise started at a little over 100K. The car was named the "road commode".
 
I had a 99 that sounded like a coffee can full of marbles cold and a persistent knock hot- all piston slap. In fact, it'd give a "bad" sounding GM 3.1 a heck of a run for it's money in the piston slap department.

Also have a customer with a 2002 with 200k+ miles that sounds like that.
 
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