JHZR2
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Needless to say, I'm happy.
DoD furloughs reduced!
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Poor old taxpayer.
So...its a good thing our fighting men/women have LESS time away from battle? Or maybe I'm reading this wrong?
They go to WAR and lose their house. They lose limbs and "we" start Wounded Warriors because "our" government won't take care of our troops. We ask our troops to give their life, but our government won't take care of them when they return.
I am Proud of Wounded Warriors for the job they do. I am ashamed of our government for the job they DON'T DO.
As far as taxes...I would pay more IF "OUR" troops were better taken care of.
They go to WAR and lose their house. They lose limbs and "we" start Wounded Warriors because "our" government won't take care of our troops. We ask our troops to give their life, but our government won't take care of them when they return.
I am Proud of Wounded Warriors for the job they do. I am ashamed of our government for the job they DON'T DO.
As far as taxes...I would pay more IF "OUR" troops were better taken care of.
Its a shame many veterans leaving the military can't find any jobs.
Good for JHZR2 to be working more.
Good for JHZR2 to be working more.
Thank You 440MAGNUM. I had to go for a walk. What about off duty military personal? The support and civilian people do a heck of lot too. It takes a lot to keep the troops supplied.
I wish Congress would take 300 furlough days off.....65 days is about all they can handle anyway.
I wish Congress would take 300 furlough days off.....65 days is about all they can handle anyway.
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Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Its a shame many veterans leaving the military can't find any jobs.
Good for JHZR2 to be working more.
We work very hard to hire veterans. Have quite a few USNA grads. We require a very specific skillset, but do hire when available.
It's my job to ensure the warfighter is safe and risks minimized. The amount of fleet issues that furlough caused was unbelievable, and the way it was implemented saved zero money in my organization.
I should have expected uninformed knee jerk responses by some.
Furlough to DoD that keeps our military #1 in the world isn't the right place to make cuts, if I do say so myself.
Its a shame many veterans leaving the military can't find any jobs.
Good for JHZR2 to be working more.
We work very hard to hire veterans. Have quite a few USNA grads. We require a very specific skillset, but do hire when available.
It's my job to ensure the warfighter is safe and risks minimized. The amount of fleet issues that furlough caused was unbelievable, and the way it was implemented saved zero money in my organization.
I should have expected uninformed knee jerk responses by some.
Furlough to DoD that keeps our military #1 in the world isn't the right place to make cuts, if I do say so myself.
The war machine is big business. It's as corrupt as Wall Street, just in different ways.
I love it how some in government say that it's not Government's job to create jobs. The military and related industries are the biggest government job creations ever conceived!
I saw a good T-shirt the other day. It had a picture of a B-52 in the process of dropping dozens of bombs. Above the B-52 it said "Let me show you how democracy works".
My words are not those of a anti-war pacifist. I fully support our troops. Our troops are the ones who are really getting screwed; losing homes, losing limbs, losing their minds... Once they're done or used up, they have no value to the military machine.
I grew up in what was once a major defense contractor area. A few of my childhood friends work for these contractors. This guys are against government spending (except for the military), they don't believe in Social Security, they believe in the free-market, etc.
Not only do they make good money working for the war machine, they INSIST that they are due their pensions that their defense contractor company gives them. Understand, they are actually working on the support of current military hardware. But, they claim it's not a government pension, it's a pension from a private company.
Right... They really believe this too!
I love it how some in government say that it's not Government's job to create jobs. The military and related industries are the biggest government job creations ever conceived!
I saw a good T-shirt the other day. It had a picture of a B-52 in the process of dropping dozens of bombs. Above the B-52 it said "Let me show you how democracy works".
My words are not those of a anti-war pacifist. I fully support our troops. Our troops are the ones who are really getting screwed; losing homes, losing limbs, losing their minds... Once they're done or used up, they have no value to the military machine.
I grew up in what was once a major defense contractor area. A few of my childhood friends work for these contractors. This guys are against government spending (except for the military), they don't believe in Social Security, they believe in the free-market, etc.
Not only do they make good money working for the war machine, they INSIST that they are due their pensions that their defense contractor company gives them. Understand, they are actually working on the support of current military hardware. But, they claim it's not a government pension, it's a pension from a private company.
Right... They really believe this too!
JHZR2
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Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Needless to say, I'm happy.
Yeah, but your house is probably less happy. Like any old house owner, I'm sure you could have found lots to occupy your time...
Lol, seriously! My sewer pipe broke on furlough day the other week, but there are more things on the to do list.
I think I still have two mandatory days though, so I'll make 'em count!
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Needless to say, I'm happy.
Yeah, but your house is probably less happy. Like any old house owner, I'm sure you could have found lots to occupy your time...
Lol, seriously! My sewer pipe broke on furlough day the other week, but there are more things on the to do list.
I think I still have two mandatory days though, so I'll make 'em count!
Originally Posted By: Nayov
Money is always magically found for defense spending, so no surprise here.
The Military Industrial complex must be fed. Fed with borrowed money.
Money is always magically found for defense spending, so no surprise here.
The Military Industrial complex must be fed. Fed with borrowed money.
JHZR2
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Originally Posted By: rshaw125
Originally Posted By: Nayov
Money is always magically found for defense spending, so no surprise here.
The Military Industrial complex must be fed. Fed with borrowed money.
Perhaps you've forgotten the Constitution, article 1, section 8?
Everything I do has an ROI, primarily in terms of fuel saved or Marines' lives. Certainly my organization is not government shills looking to squeeze profit for Lockheed or whomever else. Much of the acquisition is stupid and broken, but that is because of the unfortunate misconception that the private sector can do it cheaper and more efficiently. Boy has that been wrong, leaving us with multi billion dollar ships that are three to a class, and airplane programs costing into the trillions.
Smart buying, in service engineering and lifecycle support, as well as smart improvements in capability are a long shot from that. As is cost effective and ground breaking R&D that not only benefits the warfighter at lower cost and better lifecycles, but also trains the next generation of American scientists and engineers.
Under furlough, a substantial amount of fleet and warfighter support was essentially made illegal by the mandates. That's not helping the active military, it's not helping them do their job or be well equipped with best functioning machinery. This isn't some blank check deal to some integrator. This is the jobs of those directly supporting the warfighter, that we couldnt execute, while they were expected to be on the job 24/7.
There are some attributes of the bureaucracy that are inefficient, poorly executed, etc. But one should know what they are talking about before painting with too broad a brush.
Originally Posted By: Nayov
Money is always magically found for defense spending, so no surprise here.
The Military Industrial complex must be fed. Fed with borrowed money.
Perhaps you've forgotten the Constitution, article 1, section 8?
Everything I do has an ROI, primarily in terms of fuel saved or Marines' lives. Certainly my organization is not government shills looking to squeeze profit for Lockheed or whomever else. Much of the acquisition is stupid and broken, but that is because of the unfortunate misconception that the private sector can do it cheaper and more efficiently. Boy has that been wrong, leaving us with multi billion dollar ships that are three to a class, and airplane programs costing into the trillions.
Smart buying, in service engineering and lifecycle support, as well as smart improvements in capability are a long shot from that. As is cost effective and ground breaking R&D that not only benefits the warfighter at lower cost and better lifecycles, but also trains the next generation of American scientists and engineers.
Under furlough, a substantial amount of fleet and warfighter support was essentially made illegal by the mandates. That's not helping the active military, it's not helping them do their job or be well equipped with best functioning machinery. This isn't some blank check deal to some integrator. This is the jobs of those directly supporting the warfighter, that we couldnt execute, while they were expected to be on the job 24/7.
There are some attributes of the bureaucracy that are inefficient, poorly executed, etc. But one should know what they are talking about before painting with too broad a brush.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Much of the acquisition is stupid and broken, but that is because of the unfortunate misconception that the private sector can do it cheaper and more efficiently. Boy has that been wrong, leaving us with multi billion dollar ships that are three to a class, and airplane programs costing into the trillions.
You will get no argument from me about the fantasy that is called privatization, but them there is fighting words to BITOG...careful!
Much of the acquisition is stupid and broken, but that is because of the unfortunate misconception that the private sector can do it cheaper and more efficiently. Boy has that been wrong, leaving us with multi billion dollar ships that are three to a class, and airplane programs costing into the trillions.
You will get no argument from me about the fantasy that is called privatization, but them there is fighting words to BITOG...careful!
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: oldhp
So...its a good thing our fighting men/women have LESS time away from battle?
Furloughs do not apply to active duty military. Only support and civilian DoD employees.
Exactly. If we didn't have DoD civilians our men and women in uniform would not only have to train and perform their combat roles, but run the child care center on base and so on.
While I am sure there are cuts we can make in defense, to ask the DoD to take more than their share of the 2 percent of total cuts under sequestration is not the solution.
Originally Posted By: oldhp
So...its a good thing our fighting men/women have LESS time away from battle?
Furloughs do not apply to active duty military. Only support and civilian DoD employees.
Exactly. If we didn't have DoD civilians our men and women in uniform would not only have to train and perform their combat roles, but run the child care center on base and so on.
While I am sure there are cuts we can make in defense, to ask the DoD to take more than their share of the 2 percent of total cuts under sequestration is not the solution.
Originally Posted By: Nayov
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Much of the acquisition is stupid and broken, but that is because of the unfortunate misconception that the private sector can do it cheaper and more efficiently. Boy has that been wrong, leaving us with multi billion dollar ships that are three to a class, and airplane programs costing into the trillions.
You will get no argument from me about the fantasy that is called privatization, but them there is fighting words to BITOG...careful!
There are places for both. Years ago, I came in on a software project for DoD that when DoD civilians were working on it, it was 6 monts from completion for over five years.
Our company won the bid to do it and we brought two subs, started over and finished in about a year.
The difference was under a contract, scope creep had a cost. The DoD civilians wouldn't/couldn't say no, so it just kept growing. Once a contactor was on the hook, any changes came with a contract modification that had specific costs.
The changes stopped and the project successfully rolled out.
Sometimes, a contactor is the way to go. Not always, not never.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Much of the acquisition is stupid and broken, but that is because of the unfortunate misconception that the private sector can do it cheaper and more efficiently. Boy has that been wrong, leaving us with multi billion dollar ships that are three to a class, and airplane programs costing into the trillions.
You will get no argument from me about the fantasy that is called privatization, but them there is fighting words to BITOG...careful!
There are places for both. Years ago, I came in on a software project for DoD that when DoD civilians were working on it, it was 6 monts from completion for over five years.
Our company won the bid to do it and we brought two subs, started over and finished in about a year.
The difference was under a contract, scope creep had a cost. The DoD civilians wouldn't/couldn't say no, so it just kept growing. Once a contactor was on the hook, any changes came with a contract modification that had specific costs.
The changes stopped and the project successfully rolled out.
Sometimes, a contactor is the way to go. Not always, not never.
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