do you believe in the one fits all coolant a la Prestone Extended Life Antifreeze/Coolant ?
Do you beleive in one fits all
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With Cor-Guard? Yes.
$1000 beater, no problem.
In 50 yrs, I have never had a radiator/heater core, HG/IMV issue/problem due to coolant. I have had them fail due to age or they had known(notorious) problems in certain vehicles. I try to use the correct coolant but, I've use any coolant in any vehicle and no issues.
I use green Prestone in everything. Cars, trucks, motorcycles, boats, aircraft. Change it occasionally. Works perfectly.
It's a low silicate fluid, so it does not prematurely wear out water pumps.
It's a low silicate fluid, so it does not prematurely wear out water pumps.
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Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
With Cor-Guard? Yes.
The Cor-Guard Prestone seems to be a 2-EHA with phosphates added coolant.
I probably wouldn't use it in anything old enough to have gaskets that 2-EHA (a plasticizer) would attack....but in any recent vehicle (with upgraded gasket material) I would agree with you. The 2-EHA (Dexclone) makes it suitable for GMs, newer Ford's (which spec Orange) and many German makes and the phosphates make it useable in Japanese makes (although many don't like the 2-EHA)…..all of this assumes a complete flush before using as 'mixing' types of coolant is usually what causes problems....
With Cor-Guard? Yes.
The Cor-Guard Prestone seems to be a 2-EHA with phosphates added coolant.
I probably wouldn't use it in anything old enough to have gaskets that 2-EHA (a plasticizer) would attack....but in any recent vehicle (with upgraded gasket material) I would agree with you. The 2-EHA (Dexclone) makes it suitable for GMs, newer Ford's (which spec Orange) and many German makes and the phosphates make it useable in Japanese makes (although many don't like the 2-EHA)…..all of this assumes a complete flush before using as 'mixing' types of coolant is usually what causes problems....
No.
Just like there is no one fits all ATF.
Just like there is no one fits all ATF.
"a la Prestone Extended" Short answer, No.
Long answer, Prestone uses 2eha found in Dex and Dex Clones. The fact that is now contains some P means little to me other than it now being some type of modified Dex Clone. None of the Asian Phoat AFs use/contain 2eha, neither does G-05 HOAT. The latter of which Ford did/does not back spec those vehicles using it to it's newer Dex 2eha based AF. FCA/Chrysler OAT OAT AF also contains no 2eha.
Now there are many reasonable priced aftermarket vehicle specific spec AFs, ie., Asian Phoat AFs and G-05, no need to use a universal. If the vehicle specs DexCool now, use it, also found in aftermarket. Perhaps, one might consider Prestone Extended for DexCool applications, that might be the one application cross over I'd think ok.
Only AF I'd be comfortable with using in multiple applications like those mentioned, Peak Global Lifetime. Long service interval OAT AF, no 2eha inhibitor. I have used it with good success in Asian applications.
Long answer, Prestone uses 2eha found in Dex and Dex Clones. The fact that is now contains some P means little to me other than it now being some type of modified Dex Clone. None of the Asian Phoat AFs use/contain 2eha, neither does G-05 HOAT. The latter of which Ford did/does not back spec those vehicles using it to it's newer Dex 2eha based AF. FCA/Chrysler OAT OAT AF also contains no 2eha.
Now there are many reasonable priced aftermarket vehicle specific spec AFs, ie., Asian Phoat AFs and G-05, no need to use a universal. If the vehicle specs DexCool now, use it, also found in aftermarket. Perhaps, one might consider Prestone Extended for DexCool applications, that might be the one application cross over I'd think ok.
Only AF I'd be comfortable with using in multiple applications like those mentioned, Peak Global Lifetime. Long service interval OAT AF, no 2eha inhibitor. I have used it with good success in Asian applications.
Here is the Cor-Guard version in the 50/50 format.
Ok then Ill stick with pure dexcool since ford recommend WSSM97 b44d thanks guys
Here in Spain VW G12 is considered an almost universal coolant, many shops use it for everything when carrying out work that requires a total coolant drain.
To be honest a OAT Carboxylate based coolant using Sebacic Acid, as most OATs do, WITHOUT 2-Eha is an almost universal coolant.
To be honest a OAT Carboxylate based coolant using Sebacic Acid, as most OATs do, WITHOUT 2-Eha is an almost universal coolant.
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Here is Prestone GM approved Dexcool.
Honestly, With anything newer than probably 2010, if you do a full flush with DI Water, then add enough pure coolant to get you a 50/50 mix, based on my experience it is doubtful you will have any issues. I certainly wouldn't sell a UNIVERSAL coolant if there was a chance people were going to come after me if it destroyed their car. Last I heard, Prestone was still doing pretty well.
I have actually had a chance to talk to our local KIA and our local Hyundai service guys. Both said a Universal will work just fine. I have used O-Reilly's universal in my wife Santa Fe at 75K, then again at 100K (Had to replace starter and damaged the hoses getting them off (major pain in the a$$ to get to the bolts of the starter.) My sons KIA is at 85K or so. Probably do his this fall as car is 5 years old. I actually have a gallon of the PEP Boys OEM stuff and a gallon of the Peak Global Lifetime, so his car will get the OEM stuff.
I have actually had a chance to talk to our local KIA and our local Hyundai service guys. Both said a Universal will work just fine. I have used O-Reilly's universal in my wife Santa Fe at 75K, then again at 100K (Had to replace starter and damaged the hoses getting them off (major pain in the a$$ to get to the bolts of the starter.) My sons KIA is at 85K or so. Probably do his this fall as car is 5 years old. I actually have a gallon of the PEP Boys OEM stuff and a gallon of the Peak Global Lifetime, so his car will get the OEM stuff.
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I run heavy duty LL coolant, in lots and lots of rolls. It works in everything I put it in. Japanese, Korean, American, and European...
It even does diesels.
Especially if I use aftermarket gaskets and the factory specified coolant has gasket melting chemicals in it.
*whistles*
So I've taken to using Asian blue in the Japanese rides, but HDELC works great in my parents Hyundai.
Also I am super annoyed by coolants that come in only 50/50, makes flushes difficult to get the freeze point back down.
It even does diesels.
Especially if I use aftermarket gaskets and the factory specified coolant has gasket melting chemicals in it.
*whistles*
So I've taken to using Asian blue in the Japanese rides, but HDELC works great in my parents Hyundai.
Also I am super annoyed by coolants that come in only 50/50, makes flushes difficult to get the freeze point back down.
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I have had "problems" when mixing coolants, but that was probably my fault...mixed dexcool with conventional green...two weeks later it was forming a cake batter solution inside the cooling system. Immediately drained, flushed and filled with green and it was ok.
I have topped up with "universal" coolants before, haven't experienced any issues. Right now I've been mixing Honda blew with Zerex Asian Red...haven't experienced any issues (although they are probably similar).
Ideally I think it'd be best to drain and flush whatever you have in there, before you put whatever you're going to put in there. Or just simply drain and fill with the exact coolant that is in the system (my preferred method). Right now I have a GM truck, when it's time to change the coolant, it'll get dexcool. Prior to this I had a Lexus, it got OE Toyota Extented Long Life. What I won't do anymore is run straight tap water when mixing, I only go with distilled water nowadays if it's my own car.
I have topped up with "universal" coolants before, haven't experienced any issues. Right now I've been mixing Honda blew with Zerex Asian Red...haven't experienced any issues (although they are probably similar).
Ideally I think it'd be best to drain and flush whatever you have in there, before you put whatever you're going to put in there. Or just simply drain and fill with the exact coolant that is in the system (my preferred method). Right now I have a GM truck, when it's time to change the coolant, it'll get dexcool. Prior to this I had a Lexus, it got OE Toyota Extented Long Life. What I won't do anymore is run straight tap water when mixing, I only go with distilled water nowadays if it's my own car.
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I believe that Peak Global Lifetime and Zerex G-05 can be universal, I do NOT trust Prestone to do the same.
Prestone is a dexclone that contains 2-EHA which the plasticizer that makes dexcool deathcool
No one type fits all for me don't like prestone either.
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