Differential within auto transmission - 1989 Toyota Camry

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I'm a bit confused about the structure of the differential within the auto trans on my 89 toyota camry (regular 2 wheel drive). Some time ago I remember reading that the diff in this car is within, but "walled off" from the rest of the trans. I have topped the diff off once a few years ago, and it has its own drain and fill plugs. Every oil change, I drop 2 qts of trans fluid, fill it up. run it for a bit in all the gears, and repeat. So far, so good. BUT as far as I know I am not changing anything in the differential, AND if the differential is leaking past the half-shaft bearings and seals, checking the trans level dip stick tells me nothing about the differential level. Am I correct, and should I be checking the diff separately? PITA, but worth doing if necessary.
 
On the FWD Toyota’s that I have owned in the past and I believe that your ‘89 Camry is the same, the ATF in the differential and the automatic transmission all get circulated together. When changing the ATF from the tranny pan(10mm HEX),it does not drain the differential.

However there is a separate drain & fill for that differential as you mentioned. Although I am not 100% sure on this, I believe that the differential has its own feed & return lines within the differential to the transmission where it gets its fluid which uses the same ATF. And if I am not mistaken, the ATF is just DEXRON(DEXRON II, DEXRON III/MERCON). But it’s been a long time and my memory of this particular tranny may be off a bit. :unsure:

Someone who has worked on these transmissions/differentials may in fact chime in with better information and I may feel to be the fool! :whistle:
 
back in the 90's when I was in the car business...I took my wife's Geo Prizm into the service dept at the dealer I worked at for an oil change or something...and the advisor said a front differential service was recommended. I remember thinking ***?? A front differential in a Toyota Corolla?? Apparently it was a thing.
 
I had no idea. Only familiar with Subaru which of course is 100% segregated with gear oil.

Now I'm curious how this works on these Toyotas?
 
I haven't owned a lot of automatic transmission cars, but all my FWD cars have had the differential share the oil with the rest of the gearbox, and I believe that's the case with most FWD auto transmission cars. Certain AWD cars that are based on FWD cars have a transfer case bolted on to what would otherwise be a FWD transmission and have a separate fluid for the transfer case or center diff even though it's attached to the transmission. I believe my 2020 MDX is like that but I haven't confirmed that yet since I haven't owned it very long.

When I owned a 1987 Camry I believe it was like that, but I did not change the fluid myself as that mostly predated my wrenching days.
 
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charbaby said:
On the FWD Toyota’s that I have owned in the past and I believe that your ‘89 Camry is the same, the ATF in the differential and the automatic transmission all get circulated together. When changing the ATF from the tranny pan(10mm HEX),it does not drain the differential.

However there is a separate drain & fill for that differential as you mentioned. Although I am not 100% sure on this, I believe that the differential has its own feed & return lines within the differential to the transmission where it gets its fluid which uses the same ATF. And if I am not mistaken, the ATF is just DEXRON(DEXRON II, DEXRON III/MERCON). But it’s been a long time and my memory of this particular tranny may be off a bit. :unsure:

Someone who has worked on these transmissions/differentials may in fact chime in with better information and I may feel to be the fool! :whistle:
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D60 said:
I had no idea. Only familiar with Subaru which of course is 100% segregated with gear oil.

Now I'm curious how this works on these Toyotas?
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It’s been a long time for me and older Toyota’s so, my reply may be off a bit. Keep I’m mind that the OP(Sprintcar26) is referring to a 37 year old Camry. And I am speaking to the my of best my memory, not Gospel!

One thing of the many that I liked about older Toyota FWD cars is that they used Dexron ATF for their auto tranny’s, diff & P/S fluid. Super simple! Easy cars to work on for the basics especially the 4 cylinder. Easy brake jobs too.
 
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Looks separate to me. From the parts diagrams, you can see the power gets transferred to a separate pinion (blue dot) inside the end case using a pair of gears, and the pinion comes through another hole which is sealed off (yellow) behind the installed gear. The final drive end mates with the ring gear of the differential inside a different chamber of the case, which is using gear oil that gets drained and filled using the fill and drain plugs circled in green.
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I had a 95 Corolla with 3spd auto that has a "front differential" also. When I told the mechanic I want to change it he was like what the heck are you talking about until I show him on the lift. Most of them said don't bother changing it but they are happy to take your money if you want it changed, some guys charge it cheap like a $90 oil change others just don't want to do it so they charge like $300. They are not in the same sump.

They just take any cheap ATF and typically last the life of a small torque car. Mine probably would last 300k miles too but I changed it at 160k. My guess is when they design the platform they reserve the possibility of 4WD, or they have 4WD in some market.
 
Kids 99 Camry 4 cylinder has the separate diff. Make sure you can get your fill plug out before draining. Steel in aluminum likes to get sticky. New crush washers are a good idea too.

There's probably a possibility of cross contamination if an internal seal goes out so they minimize drama by specifying the same fluid on both sides. I think harley does the same with their engine and transmission oils.
 
My sister had a camry (1996, IIRC) with a differential that gave up on an interstate trip. Family mechanic didn't realize the dif had its own fluid. Camry got towed home and a junkyard unit installed. Perhaps it had a slow leak over many thousand miles.
 
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