Is it ok to add a small amount to diesel gas to a gas tank for upper cylinder lubrication? I'm not even sure if this will work. I basically trying to use Diesel in the same way that MMO and Lucas are used. Does anyone know if 1oz per gallon would be good?
Diesel Fuel for Lubrication in Gas systems.
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I would not do it. Todays ULSD fuel have truckers complaining about lack of lubrication, and remember, it's diesel and it's dirty fuel. If your looking for lubrication qualities it would be hard to beat MMO.
Use MMO or a 2 cycle oil, rated with twc-3 use only one ounce to 5 gallons, no more then one ounce to 5 gallons period on the 2 cycle oil mix.
Originally Posted By: Johnny
I would not do it. Todays ULSD fuel have truckers complaining about lack of lubrication, and remember, it's diesel and it's dirty fuel. If your looking for lubrication qualities it would be hard to beat MMO.
I wouldn't use a solvent based product to lubricate my upper cyl. If this was my goal I would use some good 2 cycle oil.
I would not do it. Todays ULSD fuel have truckers complaining about lack of lubrication, and remember, it's diesel and it's dirty fuel. If your looking for lubrication qualities it would be hard to beat MMO.
I wouldn't use a solvent based product to lubricate my upper cyl. If this was my goal I would use some good 2 cycle oil.
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Diesel is a heavier hydrocarbon than gasoline. It is lighter than MMO or 2-cycle oil.
Will it offer lubricity? Ehh... define a lubricant. It will create a bit more of a viscous layer, so perhaps you could say so.
That said, it is too close combustion-wise and may do other strange things. In a diesel engine, diesel fuel has a hydrocarbon range from say, C10-C16. Biodiesel is C18 and offers good lubrication.
But will diesel do the same thing, in an engine with a different operational characteristic? Tough to say.
Will it offer lubricity? Ehh... define a lubricant. It will create a bit more of a viscous layer, so perhaps you could say so.
That said, it is too close combustion-wise and may do other strange things. In a diesel engine, diesel fuel has a hydrocarbon range from say, C10-C16. Biodiesel is C18 and offers good lubrication.
But will diesel do the same thing, in an engine with a different operational characteristic? Tough to say.
Originally Posted By: Marukai
I'll stick with MMO for now until im bored and swap to Lucas
Then after you do this you can slap yourself in the face and go back to MMO.
Lucas,
enough said.
I'll stick with MMO for now until im bored and swap to Lucas
Then after you do this you can slap yourself in the face and go back to MMO.
Lucas,
I would stick with MMO.
I buy it by the gallon at Wal-Mart.
I buy it by the gallon at Wal-Mart.
Because someone has to pay for the Lucas race team.
Originally Posted By: Johnny
I would not do it. Todays ULSD fuel have truckers complaining about lack of lubrication, and remember, it's diesel and it's dirty fuel. If your looking for lubrication qualities it would be hard to beat MMO.
There are a number of suitable gasoline additives available.... well, there are hundreds and at least some of them are suitable.
Many diesel drivers add something to the fuel to improve lubricity. The notion of adding ULSD or kerosene or any other distillate fuel to gasoline just seems nutty.
I would not do it. Todays ULSD fuel have truckers complaining about lack of lubrication, and remember, it's diesel and it's dirty fuel. If your looking for lubrication qualities it would be hard to beat MMO.
There are a number of suitable gasoline additives available.... well, there are hundreds and at least some of them are suitable.
Many diesel drivers add something to the fuel to improve lubricity. The notion of adding ULSD or kerosene or any other distillate fuel to gasoline just seems nutty.
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
Use MMO or a 2 cycle oil, rated with twc-3 use only one ounce to 5 gallons, no more then one ounce to 5 gallons period on the 2 cycle oil mix.
This is good advice. MMO does some cleaning, and is a decent top end lube. 2 stroke oil does no cleaning [but may have very good anti deposit stuff] but is a VERY good top end lube.
Use MMO or a 2 cycle oil, rated with twc-3 use only one ounce to 5 gallons, no more then one ounce to 5 gallons period on the 2 cycle oil mix.
This is good advice. MMO does some cleaning, and is a decent top end lube. 2 stroke oil does no cleaning [but may have very good anti deposit stuff] but is a VERY good top end lube.
From my reading back in the 80s, when the turbo era F1 teams were able to make their own witches brew fuels, diesel (or a pure equivalent) was a part of it, purely to get energy density up (and according to one author to delay peak pressure until the rod/crank angle was better for energy extraction).
Doubt that it would do much UCL wise, and in any reasonable quantity would rob you of octane.
Doubt that it would do much UCL wise, and in any reasonable quantity would rob you of octane.
Actually, pure D2 diesel has in fact more lubricity then MMO or Lucas, here is the study:
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=177728
From the above link:
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1) 2% REG SoyPower biodiesel
HFRR 221, 415 micron improvement.
50:1 ratio of baseline fuel to 100% biodiesel
66.56 oz. of 100% biodiesel per 26 gallons of diesel fuel
Price: market value
14)Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant
Gas or diesel
HFRR 641, 5 microns worse than baseline (statistically insignificant change)
427:1 ratio
7.8 oz/tank
$2.65/tank
17)Marvel Mystery Oil
Gas, oil and Diesel fuel additive (NOT ULSD compliant, may damage 2007 and newer systems)
HFRR 678, 42 microns worse than baseline fuel.
320:1 ratio
10.4 oz/tank
$3.22/tank
Lucas did slightly better than MMO so it's not just hype and marketing.
B100 biodiesel fuel is the best upper cylinder lube you can find, but this is for diesel engines, in gasoline engine MMO or Lucas will do just fine.
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=177728
From the above link:
Quote:
1) 2% REG SoyPower biodiesel
HFRR 221, 415 micron improvement.
50:1 ratio of baseline fuel to 100% biodiesel
66.56 oz. of 100% biodiesel per 26 gallons of diesel fuel
Price: market value
14)Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant
Gas or diesel
HFRR 641, 5 microns worse than baseline (statistically insignificant change)
427:1 ratio
7.8 oz/tank
$2.65/tank
17)Marvel Mystery Oil
Gas, oil and Diesel fuel additive (NOT ULSD compliant, may damage 2007 and newer systems)
HFRR 678, 42 microns worse than baseline fuel.
320:1 ratio
10.4 oz/tank
$3.22/tank
Lucas did slightly better than MMO so it's not just hype and marketing.
B100 biodiesel fuel is the best upper cylinder lube you can find, but this is for diesel engines, in gasoline engine MMO or Lucas will do just fine.
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