Dexos discussion on a truck forum

[endeavor to persevere]

I saw this posted on gm-trucks.com.It is a discussion of Dexos and if GM can pass the magnuson/moss act. This guy works in a gm dealership. What do you think.

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I've stayed out of this as long as possible because there are 100's of self proclaimed oil "guru's" around here that I could give a "S" less to waste my time talking with but I've got to at least throw this out there and then I'm out of here...........

1. Valvoline is still in court with GM over the whole Dexos thing.

2. Valvoline is in court with GM because? GM doesn't even test the oil's to certify that they are Dexos "compliant". All they want is so much $$ per quart of oil sold, from that company, to put GM's Dexos symbol on their containers, THAT'S IT.

3. The only reason that Mobil 1, Pennzoil and Quaker State were so quick to become Dexos "compliant" is because GM owns part of both Mobil and Shell(who makes Pennzoil and QS).

Chevy tough.
Anytime baby!

 

[JHZR2]

GM owns part of Mobil and Shell?

Really? Where, in their pension fund?

Maybe there is some truth to the lack of testing, maybe not.

 

[trooper001]

Interesting. The "buy in" to get the Dexos logo without testing may hold some truth. Other industries do it, why would this be any different?

 

[fsskier]

GM owns part of Mobil and Shell?? As a publicly traded, then bankrupt company this information should be widely available if true...... I cannot find anything about it!!

One huge bogus claim greatly degrades the argument.

 

[Loobed]

Originally Posted By: endeavor to persevere
I saw this posted on gm-trucks.com.It is a discussion of Dexos and if GM can pass the magnuson/moss act. This guy works in a gm dealership. What do you think.






Interesting!

If GM requires Dexos for warranty compliance, than they have to supply it free of charge.

 

[bepperb]

I think the DEXOS spec is a money grab and nothing more. But if the cost were more reasonable I think it's not a bad system. Testing shouldn't be necessary, GM should be able to set specifications and expect oil companies to follow them to get the logo.

 

[Rand]

its a huge money grab.. that being said raise the price of the oil 9cents and its paid for... then o'riellys can triple the oil price.... and sell it for 6$/qt for conventional.

 

[exranger06]

Originally Posted By: Loobed

Interesting!

If GM requires Dexos for warranty compliance, than they have to supply it free of charge.


No they don't. Every car manufacturer has some type of oil specification they require to stay in warranty. Most of the time it is simply the latest API spec. It doesn't mean the manufacturer has to supply you with free SN rated oil.

 

[PandaBear]

So what is the "spec" to meet Dexos other than paying through the nose to get the logo?

I'd imagine any group III base with standard additive should automatically qualify. What about the conventional oil? Is it the Noack? the TBN? the ability to resist fuel dilution?

I'd ignore what GM said and just use whatever is on sale as long as it is from a major (including super tech).

 

[bepperb]

Originally Posted By: PandaBear
So what is the "spec" to meet Dexos other than paying through the nose to get the logo?



NOACK under 13%

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
GM owns part of Mobil and Shell?

Really? Where, in their pension fund?

Maybe there is some truth to the lack of testing, maybe not.


I just laughed HARD! ExxonMobil makes more in 6 months in PROFIT (not their revenue which is vastly more) than was required to bail out the entire auto industry.

 

[daves87rs]

What a load. Really?

That dude is a tool.

And yes, the oils are actually tested. I'd give locations, but I can't due because I don't want people out of jobs.

And yes, it's a money grabber too. Granted it ups the standard of oil. (gives those abused lease cars a fighting chance), but it's also a smart way to make a few bucks as well.