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Anyone have experience with this tire model?

My lady just bought a 2004 Chevy Malibu LS, with the 3.5L V-6 and 205/65R15 tires. The car came with brand-new GY Intergritys up front and Delta Esteem Plus in the rear. About 7.5-8/32" tread, date code 3713, DOT code RM, which reads Cooper Kenda Tires in China, per http://www.harriger.com/tire7.htm

Not thrilled with Chinese-made tires, but since this car will be lightly driven and will get 'snow' tires if we run it much in winter I can live with it. But I have never heard of Esteem Plus before. Also I did not know that Cooper had an arrangement with Del-Nat, as seems to be the case per the DOT factory code.

Any wisdom or advice here? Thanks.
 
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
The Esteem Plus tires are likely better than the no-Integrities.

No so sure about this. GY Intergrity is pretty bad but tire made in China by Chinese company is even worse.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
The Esteem Plus tires are likely better than the no-Integrities.

No so sure about this. GY Intergrity is pretty bad but tire made in China by Chinese company is even worse.


About to find out how they do in the rain and wet. I am not worried, as they are semi-new tires with plenty of tread left and will be driven gently. Worst case, if the Deltas are terrible I will get two new tires to replace them.

But this gives me an opportunity to study the world of private label tires, of which I know very little. Still trying to figure how tires branded Delta are produced in a Cooper plant in China. It's a small world.
 
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tire made in China by Chinese company is even worse

Don't assume that. You don't have to like them, but they may actually be OK. The Chinese can make top quality products--if they want to. Just like German products used to be junk (the origin of the term, "on the fritz") or Japanese products used to the cheap junk, some Chinese stuff is made to be sold cheap. Some is cheap & shoddy, but not all. I don't know about these tires, but a careful examination of them is deserved.

Chinese tires will soon get even better:
"ChemChina is a state-owned conglomerate that also makes tires. Buying Pirelli gives them access to advanced tire manufacturing and gives Pirelli a leg-up in Asia."
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a25353/chinese-chemical-company-buys-pirelli-for-77b/
 
I had a set of Chinese MileStar tires that actually had better WET traction than Michelin MXV4 they replaced that came on my Honda Accord OEM.
 
Originally Posted By: CKN
I had a set of Chinese MileStar tires that actually had better WET traction than Michelin MXV4 they replaced that came on my Honda Accord OEM.


I had MXV4's on my Corolla, wet traction was OK at first, then a sharp falloff at 30K miles. They may have lasted forever, but after 64K miles I wanted to live, so I bought Winter tires last Fall, and PureContact's last month.
 
Originally Posted By: HangFire
Originally Posted By: CKN
I had a set of Chinese MileStar tires that actually had better WET traction than Michelin MXV4 they replaced that came on my Honda Accord OEM.


I had MXV4's on my Corolla, wet traction was OK at first, then a sharp falloff at 30K miles. They may have lasted forever, but after 64K miles I wanted to live, so I bought Winter tires last Fall, and PureContact's last month.



That mirrors my experience. The MXV4's were so bad they would break loose on the drainage from the city's greenbelt watering.
 
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That tire is made by Cooper tire. We have a service car at work that I bought them for and they seem quite good this service guy drives them hard and he says they work great. They have around 15,000 miles now and they wear fine. At the time I bought them you could go on the Delta Tire web site and look up who made there tires and where they were made. They have since changed there web site so not sure if you can still do that?
 
Originally Posted By: Camprunner
That tire is made by Cooper tire. We have a service car at work that I bought them for and they seem quite good this service guy drives them hard and he says they work great. They have around 15,000 miles now and they wear fine. At the time I bought them you could go on the Delta Tire web site and look up who made there tires and where they were made. They have since changed there web site so not sure if you can still do that?


Not that I can see. I checked the DOT factory code, RM, and looked it up online, where it was listed as made in China in a Cooper-owned plant. Scratched my head, since I had never heard of Esteem Plus and did not know Cooper had a business relationship with Delta or Del-Nat. For that matter, I don't know much about private label tires to begin with.

First ride in the rain today worked well. Would not be shocked if the Deltas work better than the Integritys. I've driven on Integrity before, on a friend's car I drove quite a bit years ago. I did not hate them as much as some seem to, but the worse the weather the worse they performed.

Will keep y'all posted. Thanks for the advice.
 
Yes Delta does have a relationship with Delta I have there Serriadial AT Plus on my 2012 Nissan Pathfinder and it is made by Cooper Tire. I actually confirmed it by a phone call to Cooper tire. Fantastic tire by the way quite similar tread to the Mastercraft AT I think it's called the AXT also a Cooper tire.
 
That car is a completely unsafe vehicle with those tires. You need to throw those tires out and throw on the most overpriced, expensive set of Michelins immediately! You are apt to kill everyone on the road with it!!!!!!!!!

I wonder if the Delta S110 snow tire (also Imperial S110, Minerva S110) could be some sort of relation to cooper.

I'm probably going to give S110 a shot next winter so I don't have to deal with these Winterfarce another year.
 
Miller88 said:
That car is a completely unsafe vehicle with those tires. You need to throw those tires out and throw on the most overpriced, expensive set of Michelins immediately! You are apt to kill everyone on the road with it!!!!!!!!!/quote]

Humor, I guess, but no one in this thread was worshiping at the Michelin altar. I have to wonder just what your problem is.
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Miller 88: As I recall you have Cooper Lifeliners on your Focus. (?) When you get a chance, maybe you could check the DOT factory code---first two digits of the DOT code. Is it RM, perchance?

Looks like the Delta Esteem Plus and the National Ovation Plus are the same tire---and both are produced in a Cooper-owned plant in China. The specs of both these tires are identical to the Lifeliner, which is/was also produced in China.

Hmmm.
 
Originally Posted By: HangFire
Miller88 said:
That car is a completely unsafe vehicle with those tires. You need to throw those tires out and throw on the most overpriced, expensive set of Michelins immediately! You are apt to kill everyone on the road with it!!!!!!!!!/quote]

Humor, I guess, but no one in this thread was worshiping at the Michelin altar. I have to wonder just what your problem is.


Just a guess but I suspect Mr. Miller does not like wasting money for nameplate cred. If so I agree; will likely never own an Apple product, for instance.

But I do not reject Michelin outright; the issue for anyone with an old car with 14" wheels is that the best Micheln tires don't come in those sizes. All we can get is the Defender---and I have yet to see a review that convinces me they are worth the price premium over the General RT43, Hankook H727 or even the Dunlop Signature II, the new Conti touring model or maybe even the Cooper CS3.

When we see reviews in a year of three from drivers who have 80K to 90K on their Defenders, and how they held up, that will tell the tale of whether they are worth it.
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Originally Posted By: HangFire
Originally Posted By: Miller88
That car is a completely unsafe vehicle with those tires. You need to throw those tires out and throw on the most overpriced, expensive set of Michelins immediately! You are apt to kill everyone on the road with it!!!!!!!!!


Humor, I guess, but no one in this thread was worshiping at the Michelin altar. I have to wonder just what your problem is.


People here have an irrational fear of not-Michelin tires. Any time anything but Michelin is brought up , people start to get aggressive that they are unsafe.

Originally Posted By: faramir9
Miller 88: As I recall you have Cooper Lifeliners on your Focus. (?) When you get a chance, maybe you could check the DOT factory code---first two digits of the DOT code. Is it RM, perchance?

Looks like the Delta Esteem Plus and the National Ovation Plus are the same tire---and both are produced in a Cooper-owned plant in China. The specs of both these tires are identical to the Lifeliner, which is/was also produced in China.

Hmmm.


I will check! Riding on snow tires at the moment. I think I have one of the GLS somewhere in the apartment as a spare. Definitely China made.


Originally Posted By: faramir9
Originally Posted By: HangFire
Miller88 said:
That car is a completely unsafe vehicle with those tires. You need to throw those tires out and throw on the most overpriced, expensive set of Michelins immediately! You are apt to kill everyone on the road with it!!!!!!!!!/quote]

Humor, I guess, but no one in this thread was worshiping at the Michelin altar. I have to wonder just what your problem is.


Just a guess but I suspect Mr. Miller does not like wasting money for nameplate cred. If so I agree; will likely never own an Apple product, for instance.

But I do not reject Michelin outright; the issue for anyone with an old car with 14" wheels is that the best Micheln tires don't come in those sizes. All we can get is the Defender---and I have yet to see a review that convinces me they are worth the price premium over the General RT43, Hankook H727 or even the Dunlop Signature II, the new Conti touring model or maybe even the Cooper CS3.

When we see reviews in a year of three from drivers who have 80K to 90K on their Defenders, and how they held up, that will tell the tale of whether they are worth it.


Yup! They make good tires, but I can't justify their prices. When I can shop around and get a "lesser" brand tire for 1/4 the price with just as good of a rating ... the choice usually makes itself.
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Originally Posted By: Miller88
People here have an irrational fear of not-Michelin tires. Any time anything but Michelin is brought up , people start to get aggressive that they are unsafe.


Please identify "people" doing so in this thread. I just don't see it. I think it's fine to question a new, unheard-of brand, that's not non-Michelin fears, it's just common sense. Not every new tire brand or model is fabulous.

It seems lately you're trotting out the same old Michelin worship complaint whether it is happening or not. It's getting really old.
 
I like Michelin tires, but I truly think it depends on the car. As in one is not going to put defenders on a 1000 dollar beater..

All my cars are on the cheaper end and old, so I try not to go too crazy with the best for these cars. Granted, I still want to make sure they are decent tires. For our Cavaliers, I put on Yoko Avid touring S and General Atlimax RTs on, both pretty solid tires, which are doing well...

Not sure what the Cobalt will get. The current Sumitomos have done quite well, so there is a chance I could get another set. Could also get Tiger Paws, which are pretty solid under the michelin brand. General RT43s could be another choice... or the Cooper CS3/CS5......


Seeing quite a few indy shops around here, you tend to find/learn about the cheapie tires, and there are some decent ones out there. Starfire and Kenda tires seem to wear pretty well..as does Milestar (looks like they cloned Michelin) Doral tires tend to be older model Sumitomo tires, and I've seen a few people crack 55k on them when rotated. So they are not all bad....

In my case, What I put on my Cobalt will depend on if I continue to use it as the family beater, or replace it with a sedan.....
 
Originally Posted By: faramir9
Miller 88: As I recall you have Cooper Lifeliners on your Focus. (?) When you get a chance, maybe you could check the DOT factory code---first two digits of the DOT code. Is it RM, perchance?

Looks like the Delta Esteem Plus and the National Ovation Plus are the same tire---and both are produced in a Cooper-owned plant in China. The specs of both these tires are identical to the Lifeliner, which is/was also produced in China.

Hmmm.


They are RMRB.
 
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