Daylight Running Lights?

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Hey guys, Ive recently been interested in adding some type of daylight running lights to my nissan, so that others can spot me from further. I used to drive with my parking lights during the early evening, until I found out that its illegal to do so. Ive been thinking about getting a set of round amber trailer LED lights and adding them where my front fogs are, and use them to replace/supplement my front parking lights. The LED's wont add any visible light output, but will help in being spotted from a distance. I dont want to use my low beams all day since I have upgraded philips bulbs and I feel that its a waste/big draw on the electrics. Any thoughts or ideas?
Thanks!
 
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I'd find out if your car has DRLs in other markets (typically yes). Sometimes it's just as simple as getting a small module that plugs into the fusebox or headlamp harness.
 
Originally Posted By: dparm
I'd find out if your car has DRLs in other markets (typically yes). Sometimes it's just as simple as getting a small module that plugs into the fusebox or headlamp harness.


+1 I know on some Ford's with DRLs as an option, you go in with the IDS and activate them.
 
Originally Posted By: FirstNissan
I used to drive with my parking lights during the early evening, until I found out that its illegal to do so.

Is that true? Is driving with parking lights illegal?
 
Originally Posted By: dparm
I'd find out if your car has DRLs in other markets (typically yes). Sometimes it's just as simple as getting a small module that plugs into the fusebox or headlamp harness.


Yeah.

I don't know on Nissan's, but on some brands it is as easy as having the PCM switched to another country, usually Canada, where DRL were standard for that year.

Other times it requires nothing more than adding a relay to the fuse box.

A quick search found Versa this thread. Maybe it will be of assistance.
 
Originally Posted By: barlowc
Originally Posted By: FirstNissan
I used to drive with my parking lights during the early evening, until I found out that its illegal to do so.

Is that true? Is driving with parking lights illegal?


It's got "parking" right in the name, not "driving" or "early evening".
 
Originally Posted By: tom slick
Originally Posted By: barlowc
Originally Posted By: FirstNissan
I used to drive with my parking lights during the early evening, until I found out that its illegal to do so.

Is that true? Is driving with parking lights illegal?

It's got "parking" right in the name, not "driving" or "early evening".

My question isn't about the label given to them and what that implies. My question is about what the law says about their use. If you don't know what the law says about their use, then don't answer the question(s).
 
Originally Posted By: barlowc
Originally Posted By: FirstNissan
I used to drive with my parking lights during the early evening, until I found out that its illegal to do so.

Is that true? Is driving with parking lights illegal?
Instead of [when] headlights should be used or are required.
 
Agreed, see if it's easy to turn on the DRL electronically.

Otherwise, wire up some white LED strips in the front. Put them on their own fuse and relay so if they short out/get knocked off they're not taking out mission-critical systems on the car.
 
Originally Posted By: lexus114
I know my drl`s saved my butt a few times.


How do you know?

DRLs are unnessary. Most DRL studies that aren't funded by GM (trying to save money by making US and Canadian cars with the same lights) and lighting companies have found the glare offsets the rare benefit in long distance plains visibility. DRLs are also non-standard lights, so people don't turn on their headlights when needed, nor have tailights when needed. They have lights when not needed. Some even have "driving" lights all the time, which are supposed to be only used for fog.

Most are annoying since they are focused half high beams. Irritating glare that also covers up turn signals, which are far important than headlights.

DRLs should be banned. Headlights are for night. You need to be able to see what the motion of the car is doing, not the train in the tunnel effect.
Either you need headlights because of dark or you are a distraction. Turn them off.

I am so tired of the self-rightous safety nut who has them on with a trailer or a full pickup or SUV or minivan blinding me in the mirror, yet can't see their turn signal or what they are doing. Turn them off.
 
Originally Posted By: ffracer
Originally Posted By: lexus114
I know my drl`s saved my butt a few times.


How do you know?

DRLs are unnessary. Most DRL studies that aren't funded by GM (trying to save money by making US and Canadian cars with the same lights) and lighting companies have found the glare offsets the rare benefit in long distance plains visibility. DRLs are also non-standard lights, so people don't turn on their headlights when needed, nor have tailights when needed. They have lights when not needed. Some even have "driving" lights all the time, which are supposed to be only used for fog.

Most are annoying since they are focused half high beams. Irritating glare that also covers up turn signals, which are far important than headlights.

DRLs should be banned. Headlights are for night. You need to be able to see what the motion of the car is doing, not the train in the tunnel effect.
Either you need headlights because of dark or you are a distraction. Turn them off.

I am so tired of the self-rightous safety nut who has them on with a trailer or a full pickup or SUV or minivan blinding me in the mirror, yet can't see their turn signal or what they are doing. Turn them off.



How do I know? Because I`v seen people start to pull out,and at the last minute saw my lights coming and changed their mind. Thats how I know friend. And in bad/rainy weather,people dont have enough common sense to put their headlights on. So as far as i`m concerned safety wise anyway,I`m a firm believer in them. Great option for unsafe drivers up here. Also answer me this, since you are so against drl`s, why does a motorcyclist use his lights while riding? (most do anyway) so he/she can be SEEN!
 
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It comes with the good and bad I guess.

My ex-mother-in-law or "She who must not be named" as I like to call her drove a Sunfire with DRLs

In strangely stereotypical old lady fashion she would drive leaning as far forward as possible. Face practically planted against the windshield. She could see the "headlights on" so she would not turn the lights on at night. With her body against the wheel, she could not see the dark instrument cluster so she was convinced the headlamps were on.

So I'm in the backseat asking her to turn the lights on and she's yelling back "THEY ARE ON!" because she can see them... and my ex-wife is griping at me about how her mother has been driving since 1946 and how she knows what she is doing. Meanwhile we are rolling around with no taillights on.

I rode with her twice at night. Yeah, twice...that's on me.
 
Originally Posted By: lexus114


How do I know? Because I`v seen people start to pull out,and at the last minute saw my lights coming and changed their mind. Thats how I know friend. And in bad/rainy weather,people dont have enough common sense to put their headlights on. So as far as i`m concerned safety wise anyway,I`m a firm believer in them. Great option for unsafe drivers up here. Also answer me this, since you are so against drl`s, why does a motorcyclist use his lights while riding? (most do anyway) so he/she can be SEEN!


That's been my experience with DRL's in both the Fit and the Buick. They're both the half-power high beam, so they do get noticed. The turn signals on both cars are a little away from the headlights, so they get noticed also.

With all the cloudy days around here, DRL are welcome to tell a dark-colored car from the dark green or gray hillsides when there's no direct lighting to glint off of the hood.
 
Originally Posted By: FirstNissan
I dont want to use my low beams all day since I have upgraded philips bulbs and I feel that its a waste/big draw on the electrics. Any thoughts or ideas?
Thanks!


How could simple low beam bulbs be a big "waste" or "draw" on the electrics?

Just make it a habit to turn your headlights on every time you get into the car (it's what I do). Day or night.

Originally Posted By: ffracer
DRLs are unnessary.


That's utterly wrong. And on a side note, it's spelled "unnecessary".

Here are just a few studies other than the GM study you maligned, but failed to actually quote or name.

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Cantilli, E. J.: Accident experience with parking lights as running lights. Highway Research Record Report No. 32. National Research Council, Transportation Research Board, Washington, DC, 1970.
In the United States, a small-scale fleet study conducted in the 1960s found an 18-percent lower daytime, multiple-vehicle crash rate for DRL-equipped vehicles.

Stein, H. S.: Fleet experience with daytime running lights in the United States. Technical Paper 851239. Society of Automotive Engineers, Warrendale, PA. 1985.
In a much larger fleet study conducted in the 1980s, more than 2,000 passenger vehicles in three fleets were equipped with DRLs.

One fleet operated in Connecticut, another in several States in the Southwest, and the third operated throughout the United States. A 7-percent reduction was found in daytime multiple-vehicle crashes in the DRL-equipped vehicles compared with control vehicles.

Aurora, H., et al.: Effectiveness of daytime running lights in Canada. TP 12298 (E). Transport Canada, Ottawa, 1994.
In a study in Canada comparing 1990 model year vehicles (required to have DRLs) with 1989 vehicles, a statistically significant 11-percent reduction in daytime multiple-vehicle crashes other than rear-end impacts was estimated. This estimate was adjusted to take into account the fact that about 29 percent of 1989 vehicles were fitted with DRLs. Collisions involving pedestrians, pedalcyclists, motorcyclists, and heavy trucks and buses were not included in this study.

Sparks, G. A., et al.: The effects of daytime running lights on crashes between two vehicles in Saskatchewan: a study of a government fleet. Accid Anal. Prev 25: 619-625 (1991).
In another Canadian study, crashes of vehicles with and without DRLs in a government fleet in Saskatchewan were compared with a random sample of crashes involving vehciles without DRLs. The estimated reduction in daytime two-vehicle crashes was 15 percent. When the analysis was limited to two-vehicle collisions most likely to be affected by DRLs--involving vehicles approaching from the front or side--the estimated reduction was 28 percent.

Society of Automotive Engineers Inc., Automotive Engineering Vol. 102 ; No. 8 ; Pg. 35; ISSN: 0098-2571 (August, 1994).
In 1994 Avis, Inc. announced the results of a traveler-safety study analyzing the incidence and degree of damage to cars equipped with daytime running lights; the study showed a significantly greater degree of damage to those without daytime running lights (DRLs). Those equipped with DRLs have their headlights on at all times and are more visible to other drivers. During the day, they are on at an 80% power level; in the dark they operate at 100%.

Damage severity in the non-DRL group (measured in terms of cost) was 69% greater than that of the DRL-equipped fleet. Only the non-DRL vehicles experienced damage in excess of $15,000. The Avis study involved 1500 cars with DRLs, and 1500 without, representing approximately 29,000 rentals in eight cities in Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, New York, Oregon, and Washington.
 
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