Dangers of Tire Aging

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Very interesting article on tire aging here:
http://www.tirereview.com/Article/101252/tire_aging_issue_addressed.aspx

Some excerpts:

"........In April, materials scientist John Baldwin bluntly schooled insiders at the annual Tire Industry Conference about things the rubber industry has known for decades from its own internal research. He pointed out that relying on tire tread depth to determine the viability of a tire is a bit of a c***shoot.........."

"..........Tire aging is caused by the thermo-oxidative degradation of the internal rubber that bonds the tires belts together that occurs over time, and is accelerated by heat, regardless of tire use. Once a tire is put into service the mechanical forces cause crack propagation beginning at the high-stress internal belt-edge area.

Preventing the internal cracks from expanding to a tread separation, before the tread wears out, is critical. With age and heat, the materials become less elastic and less capable of preventing this crack propagation. The tire industry has been studying and addressing these issues for decades and has mitigated the problem through design, including anti-oxidants, reduced air permeation and more robust belt edge construction. However, at the same time, tread life has gone up significantly, exposing tires to longer in-service periods........."

“.............The average full-sized spare tire is nine years old,” he (John Baldwin) said. “You can tell your tire store to take that perfectly good spare tire and put it on your car. But if you’re in Yuma or Miami, do you really want that nine-year-old spare going on? “Meanwhile, the average mini-spare is 12 years old. That means you’re screwed.”..............
 
Interesting. The other problem is that you can't force consumers to change their tires either. Or not buy used tires. Not even my local Belle Tire noticed that they were selling 2 year old "new" tires to a customer. Heck, most people opt for the cheapest tire they can get their hands on...

One place I really think needs this regulated would be the southern half of the US. If heat can really kill a tire faster, then their tires should be replaced every 5 years or so.

This is coming from someone who has a car sitting on 8.5 year tires right now. The tires still have good tread on them, and have spent most of their time in the shade. But if right now the car was pushed into commuter duty, I would replace the tires without thought. Wouldn't dare risk it at that point. Granted, they will be replaced not too long after we move into our house..
 
From some of the research referenced on Barry's Tire site, its pretty obvious that tires degrade.
Yet, our GoodYear rep tells my boss that age does not matter. I learned that little tidbit after we finished replacing a 17 year old trailer tire that had separated and failed. I mentioned that it needs three more tires in addition to the one the blew up due to the age. Then I got told that. I shook my head and quickly filed it under the ignore category.
I dont like tires that are >10 years old. Dont like mounting them and certainly wouldnt roll on them.
 
I can't comment on car tires as they don't last long enough around here.

But I have had a terrible experience with load range E truck tires.

Long ago I had accumulated two brand new spare tires off of my Savanas. Never had touched road. They sat in a shed for years and I suddenly decided to use them after a van had a flat as I didn't want two very different tires on the same axle.

While driving home a few weeks later the entire tread came off and really tore up the van. Cut up sheet metal in the wheel well, scratched up the side, tore off some trim, etc!!!

The damage was huge and the repairs were expensive.

I didn't save much. And someone could have been hurt badly.
 
Just an FYI.

Part of what was driving that article are people who support plaintiff's attorneys in tire lawsuits. In a lot of respects, the article presents things in a distorted way to support a conclusion that is not supported by data. The folks interviewed were very self-serving.

For example, John Baldwin implies that NHTSA has an official internal tire aging test. No, NHTSA conducted a number of tests based on what the industry was using as well as input from John Baldwin.

NHTSA's conclusion was that they couldn't link a test that measured tire aging to performance.

So instead of doing more work to improve the test correlation, Mr. Baldwin chooses to attack the agency through mis-characterization.

The second part of the problem is that there are wide differences in aging. Heat is a major factor. Tires operating in Phoenix age much more rapidly and tires operating in Minneapolis. Any regulation that addresses the conditions in Phoenix is overkill in Minneapolis - and vice versa.

The tire manufacturers would welcome regulations banning the sale of used tires, and regulations that would require tires to be removed after a certain period of time. They would be able to sell more tires. This is also self-serving.

But the truth of the matter is that tires that are properly stored have a pretty long self life. How do you put a regulation in place when the dividing line between "good" and "bad" is so ill defined?
 
Thank you very much CapriRacer for sharing your expertise here at BITOG.

The information age is wonderful, but one has to be so careful about the validity of everything we read. I'm still waiting for the sky to fall, per Chicken Little!
 
Well put Capriracer. Even living in the cool side of the arguement you put forth, there is a lot of variation in how well a tire stands up to the evironment. The Explorer I drive at work had the OEM tires on it. The tires on the side that never saw the sun were fine. The tires on the side that got constant sun exposure (vehicle parked outside) were dry cracking and no longer safe.

For me, I look at the tire condition and then age. In our climate, if the tire visually passes on condition, I still replace at 10 years, no exceptions, even my spares.
 
It's because of CP that I'm not in a huge rush to replace my tires because they are a few years old....


Though I still believe that something could be done (but not forced) for the southern states where the tires are subjected to some real heat...
 
Originally Posted By: MNgopher
Well put Capriracer. Even living in the cool side of the arguement you put forth, there is a lot of variation in how well a tire stands up to the evironment. The Explorer I drive at work had the OEM tires on it. The tires on the side that never saw the sun were fine. The tires on the side that got constant sun exposure (vehicle parked outside) were dry cracking and no longer safe.

For me, I look at the tire condition and then age. In our climate, if the tire visually passes on condition, I still replace at 10 years, no exceptions, even my spares.

You should rotate the tires this way: Front to Rear cross, Rear to Front straight. After 3 rotations each tire will be on all 4 corners.
 
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
One place I really think needs this regulated would be the southern half of the US. If heat can really kill a tire faster, then their tires should be replaced every 5 years or so.


This what I can add from my experience. I have to replace my tires just about every 2-3 years. Tread life will have what I estimate 50-60% of tread life left. But the sidewalls on my tires will be at the point if I put off changing tires any longer I will have a blow out. My pickup is 3 years oil and I believe I can get another year of use out of the tires but I check them regularly and I have money ready to replace them. My driving style with desert heat do not equal long tire life in my experience.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: MNgopher
Well put Capriracer. Even living in the cool side of the arguement you put forth, there is a lot of variation in how well a tire stands up to the evironment. The Explorer I drive at work had the OEM tires on it. The tires on the side that never saw the sun were fine. The tires on the side that got constant sun exposure (vehicle parked outside) were dry cracking and no longer safe.

For me, I look at the tire condition and then age. In our climate, if the tire visually passes on condition, I still replace at 10 years, no exceptions, even my spares.

You should rotate the tires this way: Front to Rear cross, Rear to Front straight. After 3 rotations each tire will be on all 4 corners.



how does that work for directional tires?
 
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
One place I really think needs this regulated would be the southern half of the US. If heat can really kill a tire faster, then their tires should be replaced every 5 years or so.


This what I can add from my experience. I have to replace my tires just about every 2-3 years. Tread life will have what I estimate 50-60% of tread life left. But the sidewalls on my tires will be at the point if I put off changing tires any longer I will have a blow out. My pickup is 3 years oil and I believe I can get another year of use out of the tires but I check them regularly and I have money ready to replace them. My driving style with desert heat do not equal long tire life in my experience.



Every 2-3 years? That is hot...
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
You should rotate the tires this way: Front to Rear cross, Rear to Front straight. After 3 rotations each tire will be on all 4 corners.

Try telling the fleet maintenance department that. If it isn't in the computer to be done (and tire rotations are not in this case), it isn't done. No exceptions on preventative maintenance. Tough teaching a dinosaur new tricks sometimes...
 
I found this to be useful:

tire_rotation_abc.jpg


I use A and C.
 
There we go!

I'm actually considering doing it on the old F-150. It has the full sized spare with the same rims as the other four wheels. Plus, it's going to need new tires sooner rather than later, and that spare must be ancient.
 
Age alone is not a reason to replace a tire! One trailer at work is an elderly (old enough it has no spring brakes) 28' pup, still running lock-ring wheels and 10.00-20 tube tires. It has tires on it from 1996, 1997, and 1998. One has been capped at least twice, maybe three times. It comes in loaded to the roof & heavy at least three times a week...it still has the same tires that it had when I started working there January of 2007. Two will probably be replaced soon due to wear.
 
I just pruchased 2 "used" tires from a wrecked auto. The prior owner had rear ended a Pick-up truck totaling the car. From warranty papers in the clove box the tires had peen installed less that 3 months ago with now less that 2,ooo miles on them. I purchased bascially new tires for $30.00 bucks apeice, new from a tire shop they were $90 dollar tires. Obviously there was nothing at all wrong with the rear tires.

Number of years ago I got 4 tires from a new Ford P/U truck with less than 500 miles on it, it had been t-boned by a semi, nothing wrong with the tires. Paid $15.00 bucks apeice mounted and balanced on my truck. Not a pad deal at all.
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
I just pruchased 2 "used" tires from a wrecked auto. The prior owner had rear ended a Pick-up truck totaling the car. From warranty papers in the clove box the tires had peen installed less that 3 months ago with now less that 2,ooo miles on them. I purchased bascially new tires for $30.00 bucks apeice, new from a tire shop they were $90 dollar tires. Obviously there was nothing at all wrong with the rear tires.

Number of years ago I got 4 tires from a new Ford P/U truck with less than 500 miles on it, it had been t-boned by a semi, nothing wrong with the tires. Paid $15.00 bucks apeice mounted and balanced on my truck. Not a pad deal at all.

I paid about $20/ea for mount, balance, old tire disposal, and state recycle fee. $15 for tire(used)+mount+balance is a steal.
 
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