Cybertruck RWD is out
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Cybertruck is a failure, they should simply add software RWD/reduced price to existing AWD stock rotting on lots.
Modern day Edsel.
The balance of Tesla lineup is good except for destroyed brand name unfortunately.
Modern day Edsel.
The balance of Tesla lineup is good except for destroyed brand name unfortunately.
For this big of a pack in this big of a car, 0-60 is probably going to be free or negligible cost to throw in. The cost of the range would be the real deal though.
JHZR2
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Big car means more mass means more power needed to accelerate it.
If they had spent one iota of effort trying to get a 500 mile range vs 2.6s 0-60, I bet they could have done much better. Ditto for the engineering efforts for this vs the model 3.
Sure, full torque at 0 rpm provides lots of benefits. Definitely… but they did a lot of good engineering for a product that doesn’t meet many requirements for anyone…
Range and power delivery are somewhat positively correlated in an EV, as the lower impedance you make the entire system for power delivery, the lower the losses which benefits the range. The longest range EVs all have big packs. I am sure their engineers are also strongly optimizing for range. Just because it can do 0-60 quickly doesn't mean the driver will demand it. The weight of cooling and wiring etc is negligible compared to the weight of the pack. Tesla is aggressive and undersizes their cooling systems arguably anyway as you can see until very recently none could complete one lap of the Nurburgring without reducing power.
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I think it’s cool. I just don’t need a second full size ride, not getting rid of my Tacoma and cannot really swing another payment. (Let alone ins. And VA personal property taxes 
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TBH: another 2-3 years is like to get a 3. Extend the life of the Tacoma and save gas $. Maybe by then there is a 2 door version.
). TBH: another 2-3 years is like to get a 3. Extend the life of the Tacoma and save gas $. Maybe by then there is a 2 door version.
The amount of energy needed to cruise is mostly based on the size (mainly surface area) of a vehicle and weight, as is the range. However, the acceleration of an EV typically can be recoup back in a huge percentage (let's say 50-75%) in the deceleration if the power electronics are symmetrical (battery to motor has the same power rating in both direction). You also can only realistically drive slightly faster than legal speed so, say 80mph. You can only use so much energy in acceleration after you subtract the deceleration.
Most of the energy is spent in aerodynamic, cruising, air conditioning, etc. The extra amount used in acceleration in a non towing, non hill climbing only (long distance driving up rocky mountain for example) should not be a huge amount between a car that accelerate between 0-60 in 3 seconds vs 6 seconds. Yes there will be more but not by a huge amount like a gas car needing double the engine size and then wasted in inefficiency.
About the cost, yes you probably need a bigger electric motor and some extra power electronics to drive that motor, and more cooling, but that's a small amount compare to the huge amount of battery that's the main cost of the vehicle.
That's how I ended up with a Lightning. I really love my Lightning, but there's no way I'm paying $46K when my lease is up, to buy it out. I will cross shop the market again at that time, and I definitely liked the manuverability of the Cybertruck with the 4 wheel steering. That said, I won't pay more for that feature alone. But if the CT is cost competitive with the Lightning and Silverado/Sierra twins, it would be a contender.
I still think they're too high on the price for the 2WD version though, to really sell a lot of them. You can pick up a Lightning Pro in the $50s, and it has AWD. A 2WD Cybertruck would have more range though. I think Tesla would sell a lot of them at $55K. But that's just my opinion.
The thing is, electric motors aren't like ICE engines. Putting a smaller motor in does not gain you much, if any, extra efficiency or range.
And to go 2.6 I think you need the 3 motor version. I drove the 2 motor version and it was way faster than it needed to be, already. Heck my small battery Lightning does 0-60 in way faster than it needs to, and the big battery version can do it in under 4 seconds.
I'm not sure when too much turns into extremely excessive though. Maybe when the traction limit is reached? I can't imagine the CT doing 2.6 without some aids, i.e., Track Prep or something similar along with slicks, maybe even bead lock slicks. There just isn't enough traction otherwise.
How does one give up this life once you've had it though? Asking for a friend.
