Cv Axle Boot Grease Oil Query

[MyWifesBoyfriend]

For tripod , look up BMW 83232179708 . It is "One Luber GKN-C improved" (110g. packets)

Yes, this is what's included with the genuine BMW inner CV boot repair kits, while the outer boot kits come with GKN BruMoly grease. As another data point, some genuine Volvo inner boot kits come with Ford G-PS grease while the outer boot kits use Ford O-LI.

Annoyingly, GKN, the OEM, only includes BruMoly with both inner and outer "aftermarket" boot kits...

 

[moonlightblue]

Yes, this is what's included with the genuine BMW inner CV boot repair kits, while the outer boot kits come with GKN BruMoly grease. As another data point, some genuine Volvo inner boot kits come with Ford G-PS grease while the outer boot kits use Ford O-LI.

Annoyingly, GKN, the OEM, only includes BruMoly with both inner and outer "aftermarket" boot kits...

So as I understand inner and outer need different type of grease.

I have GSP Constant Velocity grease package too in hand and I do not know whether it is for inner or outer.

I can not find BMW or Vw grease anywhere even online.

What Castrol is for inner Cv joints maybe I can find from Europe in a small pack?

 

[moonlightblue]

Febi 02582 is with Mos2 :
https://partsfinder.bilsteingroup.com/en_US/article/febi/02582

For tripod , look up BMW 83232179708 . It is "One Luber GKN-C improved" (110g. packets)

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Thread 'Sta-Lube CV Joint Grease No. 1.5, good for tripod and CV joint?'

Jun 6, 2022

I've read on this forum that the needle bearings in the inner tripod joint need NLGI No.1 grease (less viscous), the outer needs No. 2.

I read the product sheet for Sta-Lube and it says its NLGI 1.5. Maybe they mean for it to be for both inner and outer?

Why is it impossible to find tripod-specific grease in the US? The only readily available (via Amazon) No.1 grease I see is Mobil CM-W NO.1 but it doesn't mention tripod joints.

Does a tripod specific grease even exist?

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So as I understand inner and outer need different type of grease.

I have GSP Constant Velocity grease package too in hand and I do not know whether it is for inner or outer.

I can not find BMW or Vw grease anywhere even online.

What Castrol is for inner Cv joints maybe I can find from Europe in a small pack?

 

[moonlightblue]

So is Febi 03630 NLGI 1/2 - G 052 133 A3 is the correct inner tripod/cv grease ?

 

[moonlightblue]

I would avoid anything with solids (such as the LM47) for tripod joints. The Castrol sounds like it was the correct grease - the dark green color suggests it has a polyurea base. It could've been Castrol Optitemp XBT 1 LF?

The Blue Print grease may contain moly based on the label:

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Anyway, if you want to be absolutely safe, then you could get VW G052186A3 which is specifically for tripod joints:

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And some info from Febest regarding outer vs inner CV joint greases: https://febest.au/Blog/each-cv-joint-has-its-own-lubricant/

I can find Febi with G 052 133 A3 and not with VW G052186A3.. Are both G 052 133 A3 and G052186A3 same ?

G 052 133 A3 is appearing as quattro. my suzuki swift is also AWD. But is it for inner tripod ? If so then Febi 03630 can be okay as it has that part number?

 

[MyWifesBoyfriend]

I can find Febi with G 052 133 A3 and not with VW G052186A3.. Are both G 052 133 A3 and G052186A3 same ?

G 052 133 A3 is appearing as quattro. my suzuki swift is also AWD. But is it for inner tripod ? If so then Febi 03630 can be okay as it has that part number?

G052133A3 is for the outer joint as it's what comes with outer boot kits:

https://www.genuineaudiparts.com/oem-parts/audi-outer-boot-8e0498203c

Note how the inner boot kit comes with "tripod" grease G052186A3:

https://www.genuineaudiparts.com/oem-parts/audi-inner-boot-4e0498201

There is also Merc A001989885110 which specifically says it is for tripod joints:

Why shouldnt I use Liqui moly LM 47 at tripod (inner cv joints closer to the differential) ?

So as I understand inner and outer need different type of grease.

If it isn't clear already, you shouldn't use greases containing solids (such as moly) on tripod joints (which most inner CV joints are) as the solid particles will ruin the needle bearings. Greases containing moly are for outer joints (commonly Rzeppa joints). If the grease packs you already have are not black (an indicator of moly additives), then they are likely okay. If you have access to LiquiMoly products, LM 50 might also work: https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/ca/p000370.html

 

[Hohn]

I would measure / weigh the amount of grease that comes with each boot and then use that amount of Red Line CV2 grease or whatever quality CV grease you have available. There might be more detailed information in the mfg service manual.

https://www.redlineoil.com/cv-2-grease

Location? What lubricant brands are available where you are?

CV2 separates like crazy. I would use something like Lucas Xtra (green polyurea) or Valvoline Synthetic.

 

[moonlightblue]

G052133A3 is for the outer joint as it's what comes with outer boot kits:

https://www.genuineaudiparts.com/oem-parts/audi-outer-boot-8e0498203c

Note how the inner boot kit comes with "tripod" grease G052186A3:

https://www.genuineaudiparts.com/oem-parts/audi-inner-boot-4e0498201

There is also Merc A001989885110 which specifically says it is for tripod joints:
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If it isn't clear already, you shouldn't use greases containing solids (such as moly) on tripod joints (which most inner CV joints are) as the solid particles will ruin the needle bearings. Greases containing moly are for outer joints (commonly Rzeppa joints). If the grease packs you already have are not black (an indicator of moly additives), then they are likely okay. If you have access to LiquiMoly products, LM 50 might also work: https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/ca/p000370.html

Thank you but I can not find Vw or Mercedes Grease.
Lm50 is a bearing grease
I am confused that some sources recommend NGLI 1 and some recommend NGLI 2 for inner tripod joints. Which is the correct one?

The Ecstuning website also says that g052133A3 is inner. which is also confusing.
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine...nt-grease-tube-one-per-inner-joint/g052133a3/

 

[moonlightblue]

Febi 02582 is with Mos2 :
https://partsfinder.bilsteingroup.com/en_US/article/febi/02582

For tripod , look up BMW 83232179708 . It is "One Luber GKN-C improved" (110g. packets)

W

Thread 'Sta-Lube CV Joint Grease No. 1.5, good for tripod and CV joint?'

Jun 6, 2022

I've read on this forum that the needle bearings in the inner tripod joint need NLGI No.1 grease (less viscous), the outer needs No. 2.

I read the product sheet for Sta-Lube and it says its NLGI 1.5. Maybe they mean for it to be for both inner and outer?

Why is it impossible to find tripod-specific grease in the US? The only readily available (via Amazon) No.1 grease I see is Mobil CM-W NO.1 but it doesn't mention tripod joints.

Does a tripod specific grease even exist?

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Thank you mate. BMW 83232179708 is the only product that I can find online and still I will either wait for my next travel to Greece to pick up this item that will be shipped from Germany or beg someone coming from EU to bring it to me in their bag (that I already used all of my credits requestingwise). It will be a hassle to get it but I will get it by myself.

* Is there any expiry date applying to these greases?

* Are you sure that BMW 83232179708 is only for only inner tripod joints?

* 110 grams should be enough for each side but buying 3 packs which will be 330/2= 165 grams and will that amount be enough for each side?

* I found the item from www.hubauer-shop.de Is this seller reliable and sell genuine Bmw products?

Many thanks in advance.

 

[rollins.]

Yes, 83232179708 is for tripod joints. However some OEM's offer more than one option among their models for inner grease :

BMW 83238862744 is Fuchs Renolit PU-LFT1 . It has a very unpleasant price(I mean even the small BMW pack).

https://www.fuchs.com/za/en/company...-car-constant-velocity-joint-cvj-side-shafts/


Shell Stamina 0233B (SAAB 87 92 624 in 310g. cartridge) is NLGI 1 ,GKN approved.
https://saabwisonline.com/9-3-9400/2000/0-general/chemicals/technical-data/87-92-624-special-grease

Unfortunately such greases are available in >20kg. packaging and the only option for the mortals is to get them in small OEM packs.

GKN XP595 (MS9U025) is offered here and there (350g. cartridge) .

Another example - VW G052133A3 is listed as CV inner grease here (scroll down to position 30) :
https://www.scuderiacarparts.com/part-finder/bentley/continental-flying-spur/oe/121/2096/36984
According to this gentleman it is a MoS2 grease.


Febi 03630 is black in color,NLGI class 1 .
https://cdn.partsfinder.bilsteingroup.com/pf-document/CLP03630_GB.PDF
https://partsfinder.bilsteingroup.com/en/article/febi/03630

Them VW and BMW greases in the little packages should be available (in stock...or they can order it for you) at every VW and BMW dealer(Greece or anywhere). Also small brick-and-mortar part stores usually stock some OEM products.
The German online store looks hit and miss :
https://ca.trustpilot.com/review/www.hubauer-shop.de
If I were to visit Greece I'd just check with a BMW or VW dealer's place.

 

[rollins.]

The car is 2005 Suzuki Swift 4x4. I am planning to replace both inner Cv axle boots which are close to the rear differential.

Well, well whatdouknow...the inner rear ones turned out to be NOT tripod, but regular ball ones (like the VW ones above that need a MoS2 grease) . The front inner ones are tripod .
Here some pics from the net.
In this case just get whatever NLGI class of the FEBI MoS2 CV greases you see comparable to what you find inside the joint (or use the Ridex supplied one,if it is MoS2 and hope it is a decent one).

 

[moonlightblue]

Yes, 83232179708 is for tripod joints. However some OEM's offer more than one option among their models for inner grease :

BMW 83238862744 is Fuchs Renolit PU-LFT1 . It has a very unpleasant price(I mean even the small BMW pack).

https://www.fuchs.com/za/en/company...-car-constant-velocity-joint-cvj-side-shafts/


Shell Stamina 0233B (SAAB 87 92 624 in 310g. cartridge) is NLGI 1 ,GKN approved.
https://saabwisonline.com/9-3-9400/2000/0-general/chemicals/technical-data/87-92-624-special-grease

Unfortunately such greases are available in >20kg. packaging and the only option for the mortals is to get them in small OEM packs.

GKN XP595 (MS9U025) is offered here and there (350g. cartridge) .

Another example - VW G052133A3 is listed as CV inner grease here (scroll down to position 30) :
https://www.scuderiacarparts.com/part-finder/bentley/continental-flying-spur/oe/121/2096/36984
According to this gentleman it is a MoS2 grease.


Febi 03630 is black in color,NLGI class 1 .
https://cdn.partsfinder.bilsteingroup.com/pf-document/CLP03630_GB.PDF
https://partsfinder.bilsteingroup.com/en/article/febi/03630

Them VW and BMW greases in the little packages should be available (in stock...or they can order it for you) at every VW and BMW dealer(Greece or anywhere). Also small brick-and-mortar part stores usually stock some OEM products.
The German online store looks hit and miss :
https://ca.trustpilot.com/review/www.hubauer-shop.de
If I were to visit Greece I'd just check with a BMW or VW dealer's place.

Thanks but I can not check bmw dealer at greece as I will only visit an island there. I do not need 20kg box so shell is not a solution. bmw 83232179708 if that is the correct one I need is for 10 Euros each pack and 3 pack with shipment to greece is 45 euros. Still stupid expensive price just for a little bit of grease but best option I think. I have no idea whether Hubauer Shop de is a reliable site or not. They seem German but being German does not necessarily mean being reliable though. If Paypal works while payment I will give it a go I think.

 

[moonlightblue]

Well, well whatdouknow...the inner rear ones turned out to be NOT tripod, but regular ball ones (like the VW ones above that need a MoS2 grease) . The front inner ones are tripod .
Here some pics from the net.
In this case just get whatever NLGI class of the FEBI MoS2 CV greases you see comparable to what you find inside the joint (or use the Ridex supplied one,if it is MoS2 and hope it is a decent one).

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Thank you very much!!!! Yes I now remembered that the front side outer shell shape had 3 sharp sides. But rear ones are round. I do not remember what is inside but it makes sense.
For the Febi :

febi 02582 is a grease based on zinc naphthenate (CAS 84418-50-8).
febi 03630, on the other hand, is a grease based on dilithium azelate. (CAS 38900-29-8)

Which is better or the right choice in this case?

 

[rollins.]

One is part of the thickener, the other is antiwear/anticorrosion agent.
https://soltexinc.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Zinc-Nap-TDS-Final-3.14.22-002.pdf

Both greases are probably Lithium complex thickened ,mineral oil based greases,03630 having better temperature properties.

 

[moonlightblue]

One is part of the thickener, the other is antiwear/anticorrosion agent.
https://soltexinc.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Zinc-Nap-TDS-Final-3.14.22-002.pdf

Both greases are probably Lithium complex thickened ,mineral oil based greases,03630 having better temperature properties.

So which is more suitable and better for my application of inner cv joints (non tripod) ?

At Febi website 03630 Grease for propshaft
has comparison numbers as:

G 052 133 A3 | 481 498 201 | 803 498 201 | 803 498 201 A | 803 498 201 B | 803 498 201 C | 803 498 201 D | 803 498 201 E | G 000 622 | G 000 633
It also has product information as:

• Operating temperature of -30°C to +1400°C - much higher than that of conventional copper grease
• Metal-free and therefore suitable for all aluminium and cast-iron brake calipers, aluminium cylinder heads and copper sealing rings
• Resistant to hot and cold water as well as most acids
• Perfectly suited for separation and corrosion protection of threads, bolts, pins etc, even when exposed to high temperatures

and 02582 Grease for drive shaft has comparison numbers as:

G 000 603 | G 000 602 S1 | 481 498 201 | 803 498 201 | 803 498 201 A | 803 498 201 B | 803 498 201 C | 803 498 201 D | 803 498 201 E | G 000 601 | G 000 602
there is no product info about 02582 though.

 

[rollins.]

03630 (G 052 133 A3) ,as stated already.

I'd be more worried about the aftermarket boots longevity (while factory ones are still going after >20 years some aftermarket ones seem to struggle reaching ~3 years of road use).

 

[MyWifesBoyfriend]

So which is more suitable and better for my application of inner cv joints (non tripod) ?

If they're rzeppa joints then just use the included grease. It's most likely a moly grease but you can confirm by its dark appearance

 

[moonlightblue]

03630 (G 052 133 A3) ,as stated already.

I'd be more worried about the aftermarket boots longevity (while factory ones are still going after >20 years some aftermarket ones seem to struggle reaching ~3 years of road use).

Thank you. I will go with Febi 03630.

Actually those factory rear inner cv axle boots lasted (one 34000km/11 years and the other 43000km/14 years). Aftermarket ones lasted 40000 and 55000km but 4 years..Still not leaking...One with cracks other with sweat from needle holes (have no idea why it happened) after I closed that holes with Pattex glue the sweat stopped and since 1 month it is without problem. So I will have chance to do this unpleasant boot replacement job at a warmer weather and will have time to get Febi 03630.

There must be a clip holding that joint only drawback not buying genuine boot is that I do not have spare clip just in case it gets bent or broken while removing. However each side have already been replaced 2 times so if the mechanics managed to remove the clip without bending or breaking I will manage too.

 

[moonlightblue]

If they're rzeppa joints then just use the included grease. It's most likely a moly grease but you can confirm by its dark appearance

Thank you mate, Febi 03630 which is not mos2 I think but it is dilithium azelate is best I think. It says it is for propshaft at product page but Febi suggested that 03630 would be better for this application. Having VW part number on it which is also probably a rzeppa joint also not having any metal inside is also another plus.