Cross rotating tires
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Not yet but I've only been doing it for 15 years.
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That's the only way I do it. Actually, I do a "modified" cross rotation pattern as prescribed in most owner's manuals. Move the drive tires straight back or forward to the other axle, and then cross the non-drive tires to the other axle.
So for a RWD car, move the rear drive tires straight forward and cross the front tires back to the rear, so the left front is now on the right rear.
So for a RWD car, move the rear drive tires straight forward and cross the front tires back to the rear, so the left front is now on the right rear.
Well sometimes I do. When I do the Jeep tires, they are heavy and big and require a little effort to do the set. My biggest problem is that my legs and back may be sore for a short period of time. But an advil or 2 and some rest takes care of that problem.
Maybe it's just me but, even with new radials of today, when ever I have crisscross rotated my tires, I had/have a higher frequency of tire failures such as broken belts. But, when I kept the tires on the same side of the vehicle(F-R) for the lifetime of the tire...No Issues come to mind!
45 years with tires!
45 years with tires!
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I rotate tires this way. Since I drive and brake hard, my tires develop tread blocks that are worn on the leading edge.
Swapping tires left to right helps with the asymmetrical wear and reduces tread noise significantly.
Swapping tires left to right helps with the asymmetrical wear and reduces tread noise significantly.
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Maybe it's just me but, even with new radials of today, when ever I have crisscross rotated my tires, I had/have a higher frequency of tire failures such as broken belts. But, when I kept the tires on the same side of the vehicle(F-R) for the lifetime of the tire...No Issues come to mind!
Not just you, I have seen the same, Good way to bust the belts loose.
Maybe it's just me but, even with new radials of today, when ever I have crisscross rotated my tires, I had/have a higher frequency of tire failures such as broken belts. But, when I kept the tires on the same side of the vehicle(F-R) for the lifetime of the tire...No Issues come to mind!
Not just you, I have seen the same, Good way to bust the belts loose.
Originally Posted By: Lubener
Has anyone had issues after cross rotating standard non directional tires?
I just have to ask - why do you ask?
Has anyone had issues after cross rotating standard non directional tires?
I just have to ask - why do you ask?
I rotate all of my tires (like Hokiefyd).....drives forward/rearward as case may be and non-drive tires criss-crossed to new position.
Does rotating really help reduce the irregular wear on the tread blocks? Somebody told me that because they are still on the outside area they still wear. They said if you remove the tires and then re-mount them 'inside out' (whitewalls in, if you have them) it might help.
Originally Posted By: toneydoc
Well sometimes I do. When I do the Jeep tires, they are heavy and big and require a little effort to do the set. My biggest problem is that my legs and back may be sore for a short period of time. But an advil or 2 and some rest takes care of that problem.
use a shovel to lever the tire on,not your bach
Well sometimes I do. When I do the Jeep tires, they are heavy and big and require a little effort to do the set. My biggest problem is that my legs and back may be sore for a short period of time. But an advil or 2 and some rest takes care of that problem.
use a shovel to lever the tire on,not your bach
I rotate but do keep them on the same side... Always thought this was the best way and never had any issues. I just do not see where you gain much by cross rotating. I think the odds are greater that cross rotating may cause tire issues later then just keeping them on the same side...
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Originally Posted By: datech
Does rotating really help reduce the irregular wear on the tread blocks? Somebody told me that because they are still on the outside area they still wear. They said if you remove the tires and then re-mount them 'inside out' (whitewalls in, if you have them) it might help.
Absolutely; the wear is directional in nature. You can commonly see this as a "heel and toe" pattern on the outer tread shoulder. The leading edge of the tread block will be raised and the trailing edge of the tread block will be worn-down, creating somewhat of a "sawtooth" pattern when looked at from the side.
Here is an excellent resource, from a tire maker (Bridgestone):
http://www.bridgestone.co.za/content/391
Scroll down towards the bottom, to the section titled, "What kind of irregular wear occurs on drive tyres?" If the a tire stays in the same side of the car, always rotated front-to-rear and rear-to-front, that heel-and-toe pattern never changes, and will set in deeper over time. If you flip the rotation direction of that tire, that heel-and-toe pattern will wear in the opposite direction on the otherside, keeping the sawtooth pattern to a minimum. Bridgestone's little icons in the graphic portray it quite well.
Does rotating really help reduce the irregular wear on the tread blocks? Somebody told me that because they are still on the outside area they still wear. They said if you remove the tires and then re-mount them 'inside out' (whitewalls in, if you have them) it might help.
Absolutely; the wear is directional in nature. You can commonly see this as a "heel and toe" pattern on the outer tread shoulder. The leading edge of the tread block will be raised and the trailing edge of the tread block will be worn-down, creating somewhat of a "sawtooth" pattern when looked at from the side.
Here is an excellent resource, from a tire maker (Bridgestone):
http://www.bridgestone.co.za/content/391
Scroll down towards the bottom, to the section titled, "What kind of irregular wear occurs on drive tyres?" If the a tire stays in the same side of the car, always rotated front-to-rear and rear-to-front, that heel-and-toe pattern never changes, and will set in deeper over time. If you flip the rotation direction of that tire, that heel-and-toe pattern will wear in the opposite direction on the otherside, keeping the sawtooth pattern to a minimum. Bridgestone's little icons in the graphic portray it quite well.
Hello, I cross rotate and have for ever (first car 1978) without problem.
I wonder about people's fear of plies and belts breaking apart. Is any of it true?
"Jack up the back and switch 'em. Front-to-rear swap on each side. Done". Kira
I wonder about people's fear of plies and belts breaking apart. Is any of it true?
"Jack up the back and switch 'em. Front-to-rear swap on each side. Done". Kira
Yeah, I jack the front up and put the front on jack stands. Then I jack up the back using the center jacking point. The whole vehicle's up in the air and it takes about 30 minutes to do a complete rotation, how I want to do it. I can be done in about the amount of time it takes me to DRIVE somewhere to have it done, free or otherwise. I prefer to do it myself, even if the free rotation package came with the tires I've bought (such as through Sams or BJs).
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
That's the only way I do it. Actually, I do a "modified" cross rotation pattern as prescribed in most owner's manuals. Move the drive tires straight back or forward to the other axle, and then cross the non-drive tires to the other axle.
So for a RWD car, move the rear drive tires straight forward and cross the front tires back to the rear, so the left front is now on the right rear.
This is how both my Dad and I rotate tires. Have not had a tire failure as a result.
That's the only way I do it. Actually, I do a "modified" cross rotation pattern as prescribed in most owner's manuals. Move the drive tires straight back or forward to the other axle, and then cross the non-drive tires to the other axle.
So for a RWD car, move the rear drive tires straight forward and cross the front tires back to the rear, so the left front is now on the right rear.
This is how both my Dad and I rotate tires. Have not had a tire failure as a result.
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
That's the only way I do it. Actually, I do a "modified" cross rotation pattern as prescribed in most owner's manuals. Move the drive tires straight back or forward to the other axle, and then cross the non-drive tires to the other axle.
So for a RWD car, move the rear drive tires straight forward and cross the front tires back to the rear, so the left front is now on the right rear.
My process as well. Never any issues.
That's the only way I do it. Actually, I do a "modified" cross rotation pattern as prescribed in most owner's manuals. Move the drive tires straight back or forward to the other axle, and then cross the non-drive tires to the other axle.
So for a RWD car, move the rear drive tires straight forward and cross the front tires back to the rear, so the left front is now on the right rear.
My process as well. Never any issues.
Originally Posted By: Lubener
Has anyone had issues after cross rotating standard non directional tires?
I do it the way my manual suggests for my vehicle and they don't advise cross-rotating.
I don't know what you drive nor why you don't follow the manual as well.
All the best.
Bob R
Has anyone had issues after cross rotating standard non directional tires?
I do it the way my manual suggests for my vehicle and they don't advise cross-rotating.
I don't know what you drive nor why you don't follow the manual as well.
All the best.
Bob R
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