counterfeit oil

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Originally Posted by alarmguy
Not a very good chance of counterfeit oil. Like zero chance.

The question would be why do it ? and How would one do it?

Too little refineries and supply chains for such a complicated thing and why for such little profit when almost any other thing to counterfeit out there is easier in every way imaginable (including shipping) and more profitable.

is that so?zero u say.....
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/engine-oil-counterfeiting-ring-uncovered-in-russia-103504.html
 
I've been in the lubricant industry for nearly 45 years, primarily as a formulator of lubricants for surface mining machinery. I have been involved in consumer, that is, small pack products, as well. I've also done internal investigations of counterfeits. I almost never saw this problem on an industrial level. On the consumer level most of the incidents that I saw occurred in Asia, not nearly as often in Europe and less often in the US.

Most concerns are raised by the consumer who is really your first line of defense or observation. Usually the first observation is of label differences, locally printed labels usually don't match in quality, color and style. They appear cheap and are cheap. They are often misaligned on the bottle. Regulatory information on a legitimate bottle is often complex and contained in a multi-page back label. Cheap knockoffs don't have this, it's expensive. Following up on these complaints by analysis is the confirmation.

In my experience outright tampering is rare with modern caps and seals.
 
Originally Posted by 69Torino
Originally Posted by anndel
I've seen some Mobil 1 5 quart jugs at Walmart with the perforated band at the bottom of the cap torn. I opened the cap, looked inside and it was full of used oil. I brought it to a manager and told him about this. He says it's rampant and a daily thing.

This is where Valvoline's new packaging really shines. You can see the foil seal under the clear cap. No question about tampering whatsoever. I don't care if it's easier to pour, I do however like to be able to verify that the jug hasn't been tampered with at a glance.

Castrol jugs have that foil seal as well.
 
Agreed the modern caps & seals are mostly effective.
What is to keep somebody from tapping a small hole on the bottom side of the 5-qt jug? Then they could fill it with something else (used oil) and weld on a plug with a soldering iron or maybe a spot of epoxy would do it.
 
The caps should be clear so that the seal can be verified easily. These varmints know how to "fix" a broken seal on the cap so without the secondary seal it's still a guess. The sight line strip can be checked against other bottles for any color changes.
 
Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
Agreed the modern caps & seals are mostly effective.
What is to keep somebody from tapping a small hole on the bottom side of the 5-qt jug? Then they could fill it with something else (used oil) and weld on a plug with a soldering iron or maybe a spot of epoxy would do it.

No system is perfect
 
Originally Posted by Kjmack
Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
Agreed the modern caps & seals are mostly effective.
What is to keep somebody from tapping a small hole on the bottom side of the 5-qt jug? Then they could fill it with something else (used oil) and weld on a plug with a soldering iron or maybe a spot of epoxy would do it.

No system is perfect




Exactly. If you are the type to grab a jug and go without inspecting it then you should rethink your buying routine. This applies to anything not just oil.
 
Originally Posted by PimTac
Originally Posted by Kjmack
Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
Agreed the modern caps & seals are mostly effective.
What is to keep somebody from tapping a small hole on the bottom side of the 5-qt jug? Then they could fill it with something else (used oil) and weld on a plug with a soldering iron or maybe a spot of epoxy would do it.

No system is perfect




Exactly. If you are the type to grab a jug and go without inspecting it then you should rethink your buying routine. This applies to anything not just oil.

You should see my wife pick out a sweater for flaws , I wish she could do that when it come to driving around a pothole
 
OP may have had in mind fake oil that gets produced and bottled in underground ops. And possibly trickles into Israel somehow?
There were such ops caught in Russia for example where they had plastic bottles made and virtually indistinguishable from real ones, labels (infused into bottles in some cases) were identical, caps etc. And fake or used oil in the bottles too.
http://www.automotorblog.com/watch-counterfeit-engine-oil-russia-87039.html
 
Originally Posted by avi1777
Originally Posted by alarmguy
Not a very good chance of counterfeit oil. Like zero chance.

The question would be why do it ? and How would one do it?

Too little refineries and supply chains for such a complicated thing and why for such little profit when almost any other thing to counterfeit out there is easier in every way imaginable (including shipping) and more profitable.

is that so?zero u say.....
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/engine-oil-counterfeiting-ring-uncovered-in-russia-103504.html


I live in the USA and my comments based on that. Gosh if one searches the world, they can find anything counterfeit..
 
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supposedly counterfeit products are also rampant in turkey (though nearly not as much as in russia) from what people talk in forums. there is also a lot of disinformation. so nobody really knows that well the situation :)

most common 'method' being the refilling of an original jug with god-knows-what oil (i guess this is more fakery than counterfeiting :))
mobil, castrol, elf and even motul (rising popularity) they all have counterfeits apparently.
 
Some counter fits are more worrisome than others.

A little over a decade ago I saw a truck back a front "Pup" trailer pintle hook into a dolly prepositioned in front of another Pup to make a set of doubles. It was a very light tap and the pintle hook sheared into two pieces. That hook is supposed to be forged steel. I'm not an expert but I don't think forged steel normally has a large grain crystalline appearing structure.

I want you to imagine the potential for disaster with a 25,000 lb trailer barreling down the highway on it's on.
 
LOL,

My definition of "counterfeit" is anything other than OEM.

Great Value ketchup is non-OEM (Heinz is OEM) Any other tire than Michelin is non-OEM. Rock Auto is non-OEM.
Microwave popcorn is non-OEM.

Please note, I never disparaged "counterfeit" products.
 
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