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If someone told you that FDA spend 60 milions of taxpayer money trying to jail a researcher that found a (partial) cure for brain cancer so NCI could steal his patents and sell to a pharma company, you would say, no way, right?

It actually happened!

I just watched the "Burzynski" movie (on Netflix). Unbelievable stuff!

I heard about this guy long time ago and his legal problems and thought he was a crook, but turns out his a real hero saving lives and fighting the man.

Edit: I just realized part of the movie is on youtube
 
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Originally Posted By: silverrat
http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/06/burzynski_movie.php

"A puff piece that cherrypicks facts".

Don't believe everything you watch.


What kind of the review is this? That reviewer did not watch the movie!

One more thing:
I'm in medical field and can tell you the facts shown in the movie checked out medically. I can tell you also that from my own experience, in US medicine 90% things are done to make money rather that help patient. Most MD are braiwashed (mostly by deceit) by big pharma to do what is good for corporate. The movie confirmed that for me.
 
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Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek

I just watched the "Burzynski" movie (on Netflix). Unbelievable stuff!


Because everyone knows that movies are always based in truth! Not.

His antineoplaston therapy (I assume that this post is a reference to the therapy) has been proven time and time again in clinical trial not to work. Other than Burzynski's claims, there is no evidence (other than a wacko, one sided movie being passed off as fact) that the therapy does anything beneficial, and may very well do more harm than good.

And here's another hint about his character-somewhere in the mid-1990's (if I remember correctly) he was convicted of fraud.

I'm simply baffled at the lack of critical thinking skills when it comes to people believing garbage like this. Simply baffled.
 
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek

I just watched the "Burzynski" movie (on Netflix). Unbelievable stuff!


Because everyone knows that movies are always based in truth! Not.

His antineoplaston therapy (I assume that this post is a reference to the therapy) has been proven time and time again in clinical trial not to work. Other than Burzynski's claims, there is no evidence (other than a wacko, one sided movie being passed off as fact) that the therapy does anything beneficial, and may very well do more harm than good.

And here's another hint about his character-somewhere in the mid-1990's (if I remember correctly) he was convicted of fraud.

I'm simply baffled at the lack of critical thinking skills when it comes to people believing garbage like this. Simply baffled.


why don't you watch it first and offer opinions later. The government tried really hard to lock him up and destroy his reputation in mid 1990 but he was never indited and all charges were dismissed as they were based on lies.

He saved countless lives of people who would otherwise die as conventional medicine had nothing to offer to them. It was those cancer survivors who helped to defend him in courts and in congress hearings. Somehow he got a lot of cancer survivors following for a fraudster, don't you think?

Critical thinking skills are lacking when you believe in government lies without verifying.
 
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Originally Posted By: silverrat
What makes you think the movie should be used as an reliable source of information?


The movie has interviews with patients who were cured by Burzynski and documental footage from proceedings against Burzynski.
It's self explanatory when you watch it.

I used to be brainwashed by government/media propaganda and thought he was a crook before and completely changed my opinion now. There are facts presented in the movie that you cannot refute.
 
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
The government tried really hard to lock him up and destroy his reputation in mid 1990 but he was never indited and all charges were dismissed as they were based on lies.


OK, i realized I had one fact wrong. According to http://www.weeklyuniverse.com/2003/burzynski.htm

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* Sept. 1995 -- Burzynski is indicted. He becomes the first scientist ever indicted for the use of a drug on which the FDA has granted him permits to conduct clinical trials.

* May 1997 -- Burzynski is acquitted in federal district court in Houston.
 
Originally Posted By: silverrat

http://skepticalhumanities.com/2011/11/26/stanislaw-burzynskis-public-record/

http://blog.anarchic-teapot.net/2011/11/27/the-ones-burzynski-doesnt-boast-about/


Sure, most people are going to die. Burzynski has success rate of 25% cure rate in some brain tumors, while conventional therapy gives you 0% survival rate in the same tumors. Sure, the treatment is expensive, so is conventional cancer treatment. The problem is insurance deny any payments and he receives no research grants. That is a shame.
 
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My wife, a nurse, argue about this all the time. She thinks if they are looking for a cure for cancer and a cure would be so valuable. I beleive a cure would not be in thier best financial favor and it is way to profitable to treat cancer, cancer clinics, medications, radiation etc... Its not about the people, its about the money. Seriously, I am 43 and I could remmember when hardly anyone took meds, no one had medical insurance and things. People went to the doctor when they were sick, not for maintence. Now, everyone feels compelled to be on evry med, see the doctor for every ache and pain and pay more for health insurance than homeowners and you dont believe the movie and its all about the pharmacutical companies?
 
Originally Posted By: silverrat
Are you aware the Weekly Universe is an online tabloid similar to the Enquirer?



Are you aware that
http://skepticalhumanities.com
and
http://blog.anarchic-teapot.net
that you cited are not peer review papers either?

And finely, if Burzynski was a quack, why would they go through so many lengths to steal/copy/test his medicine? Why? If he is who most say he is, they would simply ignore him.

Please watch the movie first before criticizing it more.

If you watched it you would learn that NCI and their own workers patented the same compounds that Burzynski patented the same compounds long time ago. The plan was to put him in prison, so he could not fight patent infringement.
 
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My wife, a nurse, argue about this all the time. She thinks if they are looking for a cure for cancer and a cure would be so valuable. I beleive a cure would not be in thier best financial favor and it is way to profitable to treat cancer, cancer clinics, medications, radiation etc... Its not about the people, its about the money. Seriously, I am 43 and I could remmember when hardly anyone took meds, no one had medical insurance and things. People went to the doctor when they were sick, not for maintence. Now, everyone feels compelled to be on evry med, see the doctor for every ache and pain and pay more for health insurance than homeowners and you dont believe the movie and its all about the pharmacutical companies?


Very true. Did you know that MD can charge more for a visit when meds are prescribed compared to a visit when no meds are prescribed?
If one knows that, one is not surprised many elderly patients are on 10+ different drugs and mostly sick from side effects?

Another thing is surgeons. You are going to one and asking for a recommendation. Lets see, surgery, large fee, no surgery, no fee.

There are multiple studies that show that mortality goes down when MDs go on strike. Search and will find several.

I'm sad to say these things as I'm part of the whole system, but I don't see patients. What I do see are countless unnecessary procedures.
 
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
I'm in medical field and can tell you..
A janitor at a Community Clinic? Then, I am a prima-ballerina of Bolshoy Theater
 
Originally Posted By: Y_K
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
I'm in medical field and can tell you..
A janitor at a Community Clinic? Then, I am a prima-ballerina of Bolshoy Theater



Do you have an opinion on the movie? Please voice it rather than using personal attacks! BTW, do you have a problem with janitors?
Even if I was a janitor, how would it diminish what I said?
 
Wife works for a big pharma R&D / QA cancer drugs, and she said that most of the big pharma do spend A LOT on researching drugs to fight serious diseases, cancer, etc. The problem is that these spending and researches usually end up with dead ends rather than fundamental block buster drugs.

They also spend money trying to get the old drugs approved for new treatments, and slightly improved versions of the patent expired drugs. These cost less and have a far higher success rate, making people believe that it is all the big pharma do. But the catch is, they can only do it for so long before the patent expire and generic comes, and they can do all the minor tweaks they want but most honest doctors and insurance companies would want to use the cheaper, more mature drugs first before the expensive new ones. You can look at the stock price of companies with huge patent on block buster drugs and how they tank when these patents expired.

And no, just spending 10x more will not guarantee you will develop something that works. You may find something that kill the patients as well as the cancer cells, or you may find that certain approaches do not work. The only truth is statistically speaking if you spend more, you try more, and you will be more likely to find something.
 
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It doesn't take much to see the HUGE money involved here.

AMA and Big Pharma are about $$$. And it's big.

Look at what they did/are doing to chiropractors. It's well documented.

My ad manager is a retired Big Pharma executive and he has some great stories to tell. Just follow the money and you'll figure it out.
 
^Can your wife explain why these companies "wine and dine" Dr's offices on a daily basis ?

Wife worked for a Dr's office for quite some time and 4 times a week RX companies/sales would bring the office lunch... Guess what... tax write off.

Reason I take nothing. And I push waiting out colds. lol
 
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