Computer games that use the Internet

[Bottom_Feeder]

Any reason why dealing with the headache that is an open wi-fi network is a necessity? Anyone with a mobile device will have their own Internet access so remove yourself from the responsibility of providing it. Lock down the wi-fi to allow the church's computers only and be done with it.

 

[Rand]

Managing a second network will be a PIA.

Agreed that is why I mentioned 3 or 4 options..
all of which work much better than content blocking.. unless you are blocking all vpn, DoH etc
Not sure why your church needs to provide wi-fi? But if its necessary, limiting it during times of use by the church will be needed
. Since you mentioned its interfering. Content blocking wont work. or you will block so much it will be worthless and get complaints.

 

[Donald]

Here is the problem that's not well understood.
The speed test done automatically by Unifi shows 850 down and 35 to 40 up day in and day out.

From Unifi displays of the internet usage, the maximum upload is 12 to 15 Mbs during the peak. Download is under 50 Mbs. That's during a Sunday service when many people are using WIFI and we are uploading data to be streamed to RESI. The latency goes from about 15 to 20 ms to 50 to 60 ms.

The RESI encoder has a PING heart beat and apparently that PING time goes up before the uploading of data to be streamed begins. I assume it's all the people coming into church, some of which use WIFI.

So not close to maxing the upload. And miles away from maxing the download.

The data to be streamed is normal TCPIP over ports 80 or 443. So not UDP.

So I cannot explain the latency going up nor the PING heartbeat time going up. There just does not seem to be enough traffic over WIFI to cause what I am seeing.

On top of all that the RESI decoder (somewhere in the internet) says it was not receiving data for anout 5 minutes yet the bandwidth being used during that time did not show any decrease.

So many things don't seem to make sense when looked at together.

 

[tmorris1]

Here is the problem that's not well understood.
The speed test done automatically by Unifi shows 850 down and 35 to 40 up day in and day out.

From Unifi displays of the internet usage, the maximum upload is 12 to 15 Mbs during the peak. Download is under 50 Mbs. That's during a Sunday service when many people are using WIFI and we are uploading data to be streamed to RESI. The latency goes from about 15 to 20 ms to 50 to 60 ms.

The RESI encoder has a PING heart beat and apparently that PING time goes up before the uploading of data to be streamed begins. I assume it's all the people coming into church, some of which use WIFI.

So not close to maxing the upload. And miles away from maxing the download.

The data to be streamed is normal TCPIP over ports 80 or 443. So not UDP.

So I cannot explain the latency going up nor the PING heartbeat time going up. There just does not seem to be enough traffic over WIFI to cause what I am seeing.

On top of all that the RESI decoder (somewhere in the internet) says it was not receiving data for anout 5 minutes yet the bandwidth being used during that time did not show any decrease.

So many things don't seem to make sense when looked at together.

Try shutting off WIFI and all other traffic and do a test when nobody is around to see if it works correctly. Is the encoder hard wired? Depending on that test you can try giving priority to the encoder device.

 

[mk378]

Are you using any sort of qos at all? A simple manager on the wan interface set to slightly less than the contracted (or measured real world attainable) upload speed will make a big difference. It is often all you need.

 

[Donald]

Try shutting off WIFI and all other traffic and do a test when nobody is around to see if it works correctly. Is the encoder hard wired? Depending on that test you can try giving priority to the encoder device.

The encoder is hard wired. I am not sure there is anything in Unifi to give a certain client higher priority.

Am looking at SmartQueue.

 

[tmorris1]

The encoder is hard wired. I am not sure there is anything in Unifi to give a certain client higher priority.

Am looking at SmartQueue.

What Unifi device are you using?

 

[Pew]

The encoder is hard wired. I am not sure there is anything in Unifi to give a certain client higher priority.

Am looking at SmartQueue.

If you are using a Unifi Security Gateway, you can assign bandwidth control per networks, so you can limit the guest wifi to whatever you want per kb/s.

Although, it would just be easier to block every port except the one you need. I don't remember if you can do that with the Unifi hardware (although I would be surprised if you can't with a USG) but you should be able to do that with any business/enterprise class firewall. THere will be backlash but there's nothing you can do about it, there's no way to figure out all the ports used per game - there's just too many ports and games.

EDIT: And from there it's starting to sound like it's going to turn into another full-time job for you to support it all.

 

[Donald]

If you are using a Unifi Security Gateway, you can assign bandwidth control per networks, so you can limit the guest wifi to whatever you want per kb/s.

Although, it would just be easier to block every port except the one you need. I don't remember if you can do that with the Unifi hardware (although I would be surprised if you can't with a USG) but you should be able to do that with any business/enterprise class firewall. THere will be backlash but there's nothing you can do about it, there's no way to figure out all the ports used per game - there's just too many ports and games.

EDIT: And from there it's starting to sound like it's going to turn into another full-time job for you to support it all.

So I used Unifi support chat. They suggest I use QOS to limit a couple of the WIFI network VLANs and QOS to allow full bandwidth to the streaming VLAN. They will have a priority QOS in next release of Unifi software. Did not seem to think I should use SnartQueue.

I am asking about JumboFrames. Looks like the default of the RESI is 1500. I am asking RESI if they have an option to use Jumbo Frames. I can turn that option on in Unifi but will Comcast and everyone else in the path handle it?

This will not be a full time job for me. The church has hired a local network support company to support this. The local network company knows some but are by no means experts. I try to work these kind of problems in the same way I do at work (for 49 years) and that is collect the doc, (traces, logs, dumps) see if you get get to the root cause, often talk to the vendor. Fully understand the problem then make a decision. The church seems to want to take a quick look at a problem without fully understanding it and then kind of guess at a solution. Typically not listening to me. That's just not how I work on problems.

 

[Donald]

So I poked around for some Unifi EA code and found and installed it. As Unifi told me it would, it supports QOS both from Priority or Limiting points of view. Or both.

I set the VLAN that handles streaming (actually data that will be streamed) to priority and some other VLANs to limit to 50 Mbs down and 2 Mbs up.

I am hoping it will make a big difference.

 

[Donald]

So my question is how well will QOS with Priority actually work. Just a tiny tweak? Or major improvement. Or since this is the initial release of QOS with Priority by Unifi will it need another release or two to get the bugs out?

And is giving the one VLAN priority enough or do I also need to QOS limit the other VLANs?

 

[mk378]

The first thing to do is find out the ISP speed and put a QOS on the connection to the modem of slightly less than that. Always have this in place in addition to anything else you may set up.

Then determine the speed needed by the video uplink and subtract that from the total overall speed on the wan, and limit the other network to that so that some is left over after guests use the rest.

Connect your phone to the guest network and conduct speed tests to confirm that everything is working as expected.

 

[Urshurak776]

Log into the router and find out the IP of who is streaming games and block them. You can tell how much each device is using.

Easier way is to just throttle the speed.

 

[PandaBear]

It is mostly YouTube, Tiktok, Netflix etc.

Games typically use only 1/100 compared to streaming videos.

 

[Qirinth3]

I need to know some of the more popular computer games that may use a lot of Internet bandwidth.

I want to block these kinds of games from the guest network at church. We want people to only use the guest network for reasonable things you might do at church. Playing computer games is not one of them.

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Definitely a lot of great options out there for online games. Games like Fortnite and Apex Legends are super popular right now and keep evolving with new updates. They use the internet for matchmaking and keeping up with constant game changes, so it’s always fresh. I also really like how games like World of Warcraft or Elder Scrolls Online let you dive into massive worlds where you can interact with others in real-time, doing quests, raids, and events.

 

[tmorris1]

Most games don't use a lot of internet bandwidth just need a low latency connection that is responsive

 

[Hall]

Most games don't use a lot of internet bandwidth just need a low latency connection that is responsive

That's something a lot of people don't understand. Online gaming doesn't need high speed internet, they primarily need low latency connections. Of course, with modern games, high speed does help 'cause apparently updates, patches, etc can be gigabytes in size !

 

[Brons2]

It's taking bandwidth away from our uploading of data to be streamed. And causing problems in the uploading of that data.

You run Ubiquiti, IIRC. Use policy based routing to prioritize the service broadcast.

 

[dubber09]

Do you have a firewall in please there? See if it allows to block categories like games.

 

[Donald]

The church elders and I had some disagreements about their network and I felt it was best if I just walked away so I did. They hired a local company to provide network support. But they don't work weekends. Ironic for a church with services on Sunday.

But have no fear I am helping another church their technology. Much happier. And the church is not elder run.