Coach vs RV

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I'll throw in some perspective. My folks did the full-time RV thing for many years.

They started with a 38' Teton 5th wheel pulled by a then-new 2000 Ford F-550 with a Centurion pickup bed (550s don't come with beds, or didn't at the time). Tetons were top of the line back then and this thing was no exception. It was a triple slide unit with a front master bedroom and rear living room, allowing for the panoramic rear view. Triple axle, but they weren't real axles -- they were the rubber torsion units, independent at each wheel. It was a really nice trailer.

But it was too much for even an F-550. It was about 30,000 pounds loaded, and that was at the tippy-top of a 550's rated capacity. And dad wasn't comfortable with it. So they bought an F-650 Super Crewzer. Arguably the better tow vehicle in every measure of towing. Cat 3026B engine would pull anything up any hill. It was a cake walk for that truck. But they got tired of having to take their truck to town all the time. Even a dually pickup is hard to park in small towns you normally encounter when full-timing. The wheelbase is like that of a 737's, so it pretty much everything takes a 3- or 4-point turn.

Plus, they wanted to get into Jeeping, and unless you use two drivers or double-tow (which isn't legal in many areas), you can't do that with a 5th wheel. In short, they found a 5th wheel too limiting for what they wanted to do.

So they bought a coach. A 2004 42' Monaco Dynasty. Again, one of the better of the coach builders, they build their own rolling chassis...nothing is converted from anything else. It was set up right -- triple axle, rear tag lift and steer...it had it all. This coached served them very well, and they used it until they quit full-timing. They pulled a lot of vehicles behind this, including the 2005 Acura MDX that we own now. They found EVERYTHING to be easier with a coach. You do have to unhook your toad, but you just do that at the campground office when you check in. They had a much better space selection with a coach because they can back into, and pull through in, many spaces that are too small for the longer 5er/truck combo. They had a ton more room in their coach; it was a 4-slide unit with a full basement, so dad had ALL of his stuff and tools in the coach. With the 5er, a bunch of stuff has to be kept in your truck because they don't have good basements, or at least didn't back then.

Many of the benefits of coaches won't apply to weekenders -- the extra storage room is most useful to full-timers. People who do it all the time also prefer to drive something less than what is essentially a semi tractor when they go into the local Walmart for groceries. This is why most full-timers are using coaches with a toad. Most weekenders are not, but that's clearly a case of using the right tool for the job.
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
But it was too much for even an F-550. It was about 30,000 pounds loaded, and that was at the tippy-top of a 550's rated capacity. And dad wasn't comfortable with it. So they bought an F-650 Super Crewzer. Arguably the better tow vehicle in every measure of towing. Cat 3026B engine would pull anything up any hill. It was a cake walk for that truck.


I'd certainly hope it was better -- that Super Crewzer went for $90,000 back in 2001! The 3126B put out 300HP/860LB-FT, hooked to a six-speed Allison.
 
I think dad paid about $60k for the F-550. It was a Centurion model because he wanted the leather interior and the pickup bed. But it was just BARELY enough to yank that 30k pound 5er around. He had a full Banks kit in it and had a heavier duty torque converter installed in the transmission and a full air suspension in the back to help it cope. He started losing the turbo outlet hose on longer hill pulls (it'd boost up to 26-28 pounds of boost fully loaded), and he quickly found that it just wasn't quite enough truck for the Teton.

So he bought the Super Crewzer new in 2002 or thereabouts, and yeah, they were pricey. Pretty much the same interior as the 550 as far as dash and layout goes. But it was obviously REALLY setup for towing. Even had the pneumatic driver's seat. It was a TRUCK (just so everyone in 1500s and 2500s who look down on Ridgeline drivers can have a REAL truck to look up to!). You need to REALLY be into trucking to enjoy driving that beast around on a daily basis. Neither he nor mom were THAT into it. But that size of truck was required for that size of trailer.

They sold their Carriage (I was wrong -- it was a Carriage, not a Teton) to some friends of theirs who haul it with a converted Volvo tractor. They have a long wheelbase tractor, and he made ramps for his Smartcar and hauls his Smartcar on the back of the tractor, in front of the 5er. Really interesting setup. This is the couple:

http://www.jackdanmayer.com/

In their cover photo is their old shorty Volvo hauler and my folks' Carriage. Scroll down and you can see his new hauler. But if you read the website, they went through a very similar story as my parents. If you're full-timing, and you have a big trailer, you just can't do it with a light duty pickup you can buy at a Ford or Chevy dealer. You really need a medium duty truck or larger do haul it.
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
If you're full-timing, and you have a big trailer, you just can't do it with a light duty pickup you can buy at a Ford or Chevy dealer. You really need a medium duty truck or larger do haul it.


Even with 4.88 gears, the 2001 F-550 4x2 was rated:

Max Trailer - 21,600
GCWR Max - 30,000

Ford does now sell the F-450 Pickup at your local dealer. 440HP/860LB-FT, with 4.30 gears and 4x4:

Max Trailer - 31,200
GCWR Max - 40,400
 
Originally Posted By: Ramblejam
GCWR Max - 30,000


That must be the 30k number I'm remembering -- the GCW of the rig and trailer. Looking up a Carriage Royals International, the weight looks closer to 20k pounds.
 
Figured as much -- you and your folks seem way too smart to go through the trouble/expense of acquiring one of these rigs...and then running it 50% over rated capacity.

Regardless, thanks for sharing the story/link!
 
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