Clik motor tech additive

[kickster]

A sales person walked in to my shop today. He was marketing an engine treatment called "Clik".

He asked me if he can demonstrate how his additive can beat any other oil on the market.

Since I was not busy I let him bring his bearing test equipment in and do a test.

I offered him AMSOIL 5W40 as his test subject.
He put on few drops of AMSOIL on the roller and started his bearing testing equipment. I pressed on the lever and after some pressure the bearing and the roller came to a halt.

He wiped the oil off and addded his additive. I pressed as hard as possible. I put my entire weight on the lever and it had no effect on it!

How is this possible? I was not paying too much attention to his equipment. He may have tricked the machine otherwise I can not see how that oil additive could have reduced the friction to almost zero!!

here is the products website:

ClikTech


It seems to be a Canadian company. Apparently they only sell to mechanic shops!

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[ May 16, 2005, 07:21 PM: Message edited by: 59 Vetteman ]

 

[fastbear]

Had a simliar demo here at work using Schaeffers moly oil. Machine would not stop turning with the moly oil. Maybe link is a high moly lube?

 

[qadsan]

The Infamous Bearing Under Load Test...

http://www.refrigtech.com/magic.html

And if it looks too good to be true...

 

[DR Racing]

Notice on the clik FAQ page the question "does clik have any kind of clorine in it" is not there, telling?

 

[JHZR2]

ISnt there a way to beat that test... you lightly press the lever on the oil to be 'beat' allowing it to naturally plate up on the surfaces with EP adds, and then when you press on it, it can't be beat either?

My impression was that the activity of the species in these additives causes it to plate up much faster than those in regular oil. But the motor oil adds will be safer, slower, and work better overall, due to the lack of certain compounds.

JMH

 

[LarryL]

quote:

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Does your product affect warranty?
A CLIK does not affect used car warranties. With manufacturers warranties the terms should always be checked before adding any type of additive or any other after market products.

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Is this double talk or what?

I wonder if this company would submit their product to Terry for testing, paid testing.

I think I would be worried that their product is laundry bleach. Has anyone used this stuff?

 

[Vstrom]

Does not affect USED car warranties....hmmm no mention of NEW car warranties

 

[LarryL]

Look at their Web site. They published a FAX number and an e-mail address, but forgot the voice phone. Who wants a tool free voice phone number anyhow. You know how pesty the public can be when it comes to phone calls.

I just wonder what these businesses are up to. These products don't appear to work but they do keep bouncing back with a different label. Do they time their marketing plan to each new generation of new drivers? Or, do the products really work and we just don't know as much as we think we do?

Terry, what's your experience with this kind of stuff?

 

[mechtech]

I'm not sure what in an engine would duplicate those type of loads.
Maybe a distributor gear, or cam chain.
I think it [Clik] solves a non-existant problem.

 

[Mystic]

When will people ever get tired of these Falex tests that supposedly either check motor oil quality or else the quality of oil supplements? The test can be easily faked in various ways. Anoter test that is full of baloney is the four ball test. Maybe good for checking a motor oil when it is under development but not really useful for comparing motor oils. Any time that I see somebody conducting one of these tests I just walk away.

The same baloney goes on forever. I recently heard somebody talking about putting mothballs in his gas tank. I din't say anything. What is the use. Putting mothballs in a gas tank was a trick used ages ago by guys wanting to be able to drive their cars faster. They also would be rebuilding their engines more often.

The same timeless Falex test is used again and again to convince people that some oil supplement is Heaven sent to save engines.

There is one product that I believe in-Auto-RX. It worked for me. There are a handful of other products that I have some confidence in. I still believe in Lubegard for transmissions (and power steering units) and I have come to really like Gummout Regaine as a fuel system cleaner. Every time I use it my car seems to run better. There are a few other products besides these and that is it.

I used to use a product called Tufoil. The documentation that it worked seemed pretty convincing at the time. I never used Slick50 but I did use Tufoil. I was mpressed when I put Tufoil in a used Toyota Corolla car that had an engine that kind of chattered a little bit at startup. Well, the engine ran smoother at startup. Looking back on it all I think I could have achieved similiar results just using a little bit thicker motor oil in the warmer months of the year. That engine had a little wear and could have used thicker oil in the summertime.

People really should forget 99% of all of these engine treatments, oil supplements, engine cleaners, etc. he one product I will put in my own motor oil is Auto-RX.

 

[unDummy]

Concerning Clik, try it, VOA it, UOA it, or FORGET ABOUT IT. Don't judge it without using it.
Pretty simple. Maybe someone should email them for free samples. If Clik is so great, then they wouldn't worry about our opinions!

I like Tufoil. But, since all my cars are on a synthetic diet, I don't see the need or expense for any oil cleaners or additives.
I don't think that Tufoil was ever part of any FTC complaint or investigation like most of the other snake oils(PTFE/chlorinated).... Also, it was in the Guinness book. Any other oil products in the book of world records?
http://www.qualityimports.co.nz/tufoil/tufoil_info.htm

 

[peterr]

Isn't the basic assumption false? This bearing test, (sounds like what I have seen as a Timken test) even if not faked is not a reasonable test of IC engine motor oil. There is lot of stuff going on inside an engine other than friction. Like HEAT.

Even if this test shows a positive result in lubrication, does it show anything about how the product will deal with heat, acidity combustion by products etc over time.

I once saw someone run a timken test on a motor oil, then a PTFE snake oil and then Chlorox bleach. The bleah won. Want that in your engine?

Whats the TBN on Chlorine bleach anyway?

 

[GreeCguy]

"A CLIK does not affect used car warranties."

That's like meeting a "lady of the evening" who is a "100% former virgin."

Somebody tell me what the four ball test is - that's a new one on me.

 

[peterr]

quote:

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Originally posted by GreeCguy:
"A CLIK does not affect used car warranties."

That's like meeting a "lady of the evening" who is a "100% former virgin."

Somebody tell me what the four ball test is - that's a new one on me.

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Okay, the "lady of the evening" takes the first ball...

 

[Mystic]

unDummy, you are right about the company that makes Tufoil never being fined by the FTC. And Tufoil did look impressive in various testing. Even Popular Mechanics Magazine tested it. The product seemed to have much better documentation then Slick50 and it was because of all of that documentation that I was willing to use it. Perhaps Tufoil was the real deal-I don't know.

In the end, what turned me off from Tufoil was that the company that makes it seemed to forever use the same documentation. They talked about testing that had been done years ago. It made me start to wonder.

But I will never use a product based merely on results in Falex testing. First Falex testing is probably better suited to testing greases then motor oils. And second the testing can be faked. Products like Clorox can outperform the best motor oils in Falex testing. As far as I am concerned Falex testing is of zero value in determining the quality or lack of quality of a motor oil. I walk away whenever I see it.

 

[LarryL]

So does that put the Amsoil 4-ball test in the smoke and mirrors category like the Falex test? What's their 4-ball bar chart worth? Why don't we see 4-ball scar size stuff from Mobil 1 or others?

 

[TooSlick]

Larry,

If you'd like some info on the relevance - or lack thereof - of the Shell Four Ball wear test (they developed it), call me any evening after 7pm, CST. I've studied this test in detail and have good feel for it's limited applicability. I've also spent over twenty years as a mechanical/propulsion engineer and routinely use analog tests as part of my work.

I'm just too lazy to type all that stuff out once again!

Ted

 

[goodvibes]

I tried tufoil also but only one bottle a LONG time ago. No problems but it's one of the insoluble teflon products. I could see it being an issue in the wrong motor.