Chinese EV innovation - Ejects the battery

[alarmguy]

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That said, there is no such thing as "free markets". Government manipulation and intervention is everywhere, be it domestically or abroad. China's currency manipulation is legend, so this isn't the result of pure free market forces but bold manipulation and capitulation to CCP obligations, like technology share and domestic manufacturing requirements.

Same here. For some things it's practically impossible. I couldn't find a standing desk that didn't use Chinese motors.

Free market is mostly theoretical. In real world it's not very free.

Ummmm... my intention of the use of "free market" is my ability to purchase what I wish too at the best price possible. It would be unrealistic to think that governments around the world do not interfere with the markets.

I do not want my choices restricted while corporations are not restricted.

For those with very high incomes, it's a noble cause to purchase more expensive products. Free to me, is to be able to purchase wherever I want the same as the American corporations that sell to me.

Example, that Dell computer that was made in Mexico very well maybe made up of components from China. But either way, it wasnt American or Canadian workers who made the product however it is an American Corporation that is profiting from it is an example of what I am talking about, if that makes any sense. Meaning the American corporations source from all over the world and I am free to do as well. Instead of them buying from overseas only to resell to me for profit.

Before I get flamed, I love my country = the USA as the best place on earth. Im just not a hypocrite talking the talking but not walking it if that makes any sense.

 

[OVERKILL]

Ummmm... my intention of the use of "free market" is my ability to purchase what I wish too at the best price possible.

OK, so then not really "free market" then:

In economics, a free market is an economic system in which the prices of goods and services are determined by supply and demand expressed by sellers and buyers. Such markets, as modeled, operate without the intervention of government or any other external authority.

But rather unrestricted consumer choice. Consumer freedom perhaps? I'm sure there's a formal term for what you are desiring.

It would be unrealistic to think that governments around the world do not interfere with the markets.

Sure, but that precludes them from being free markets, by definition.

I do not want my choices restricted while corporations are not restricted.

For those with very high incomes, it's a noble cause to purchase more expensive products. Free to me, is to be able to purchase wherever I want the same as the American corporations that sell to me.

And that's consumer freedom, but it's not a "free market", which is an economic system.

 

[Torrid]

It's nice to buy American products but like the corporations themselves what puts the most money in my pocket wins. All else being equal. Im just honest unlike some others. Look around your homes. There is a reason nothing is made here anymore, including the device you are reading this post with.
Free markets, consumer wins.

There are definitely spots I draw the line. My most loved American made products aren't cheap and they are things I know I won't treat as disposable. It's hard to do with smaller products, though there are stuff like Barbasol if you want a US made inexpensive shaving cream. I don't research every small product I buy, but if I do become aware of it, it does sometimes shape my buying habits.

 

[alarmguy]

Better choice of words than “ free markets”
We agree no such thing.
From now on, I’ll use “free to purchase”
@OVERKILL

 

[Trav]

Blaming the victim? Please. I am not a victim. And I said some consumers.
There is plenty of blame to go around. Regardless, as a consumer, I can choose to vote with my money. And I do.

Regarding Tesla, I'm sure you know the Teslas we buy here are the most made in America cars. While other car companies are far bigger in shear numbers, Tesla spends the most on R&D here, based on size, than any other car company.

Sure a victim, a victim of corporate greed, companies being taken over by blood sucking investment groups the products cheapened and prices remain the same or increased all while flaunting the Made in USA label until there is nothing left to be bled out of the company then they off load it. Worse is Made in USA with domestic and imported materials, I see some products I swear that only the box or the printing appears to be made here.

You too are a victim and probably don't even realize it. Didn't you buy or looked a Milwaukee tool fully believing it to be a USA product only to find out it is Chinese or Vietnamese? We are all victims of these types of shenanigans. I could write a book on what I have learned about product COO being sold under once good US and other countries names, it really is shocking.
Some products I used to buy based on brand recognition alone have now at least partially been offshored.

I think you will find Toyota, VW, BMW, etc all spend more in the USA and in Toyota's case employs more Americans than Tesla.

 

[awguy]

Seems like a nice way to stop a carjacker.

 

[alarmguy]

Blaming the victim? Please. I am not a victim. And I said some consumers.
There is plenty of blame to go around. Regardless, as a consumer, I can choose to vote with my money. And I do.

Regarding Tesla, I'm sure you know the Teslas we buy here are the most made in America cars. While other car companies are far bigger in shear numbers, Tesla spends the most on R&D here, based on size, than any other car company.

Well in all honesty you have two gasoline vehicles that are not American made, so you passed up buying a Ford or GM for foreign companies.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Sure a victim, a victim of corporate greed, companies being taken over by blood sucking investment groups the products cheapened and prices remain the same or increased all while flaunting the Made in USA label until there is nothing left to be bled out of the company then they off load it. Worse is Made in USA with domestic and imported materials, I see some products I swear that only the box or the printing appears to be made here.

You too are a victim and probably don't even realize it. Didn't you buy or looked a Milwaukee tool fully believing it to be a USA product only to find out it is Chinese or Vietnamese? We are all victims of these types of shenanigans. I could write a book on what I have learned about product COO being sold under once good US and other countries names, it really is shocking.
Some products I used to buy based on brand recognition alone have now at least partially been offshored.

I think you will find Toyota, VW, BMW, etc all spend more in the USA and in Toyota's case employs more Americans than Tesla.

Yes, I have a few Milwaukee tools; I am buying no more. You enlightened me about their offshore move. Education and learning enable better choices, right? Each to his/her own.

We live in a global economy. There is no fair and everything changes. Nothing is perfect. We do the best we can with what we have. But we do have choices, within reason.

Regarding Toyota/Tesla, Totoya is a far bigger company, as is GM and many more. GM shuttered the Fremont GM plant, where my Oldsey was made. I have the build sheet. Then NUMMI shuttered where my little 22RE 4wd PU was made. I have purchased 2 Teslas from the same plant, which employs over 25K workers, far more than NUMMI ever did. I think the max was about 6500... Giga Fremont is the most prolific car factory in America.

That's the numbers.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Well in all honesty you have two gasoline vehicles that are not American made, so you passed up buying a Ford or GM for foreign companies.

Yes. Place of manufacture is a critical component in my decision making, but not the only one. Our GS and TSX were made in Japan. RX in Canada. The other cars, Tundra, Vette, Oldsey were purchased 2nd hand, so they do not benefit directly.

The last GM car I bought new was the 90 Corvette, I feel the quality is just not there. Just my 2 cents. Again, each his/her own.

 

[Fifth87]

I don't know, some of them appear to be quite good. Ford CEO said he didn't want to give up his BYD.

If true, that is deeply concerning.

 

[buster]

If true, that is deeply concerning.

 

[fantastic]

Can't get past the deep fried bat...

If they can get that under control and do it at recharging stations with a full battery ready to push back in they might have something.

Spare battery, like a spare tire...

 

[JeffKeryk]

If true, that is deeply concerning.

My understanding is, CEO Farley wants to learn what his company is up against, and is impressed with his Xiaomi SU7.
The Chinese market is key to all major car companies, and the Chinese are formidable competitors.

Anyone who believes American companies are the best, just becasue, should probably think again.
The competition, and business in gereral, is ruthless.

 

[Gridbro]

Where do these batteries go when they are Ejected?

Ground fill or remanufactured into cheap 100ah lithium batteries on eBay

 

[KrisZ]

Chinese don't want their own EVs. They may have one or two good brands/models, but the rest is garbage that nobody buys.

 

[KrisZ]

My understanding is, CEO Farley wants to learn what his company is up against, and is impressed with his Xiaomi SU7.
The Chinese market is key to all major car companies, and the Chinese are formidable competitors.

More likely scenario IMO is that he's trying to appease the Chinese government because the west still believes China is the next market for the western companies. And you can't do business there without being nice to the ruling party.

No company CEO would openly drive competitor's products and praise them. It would damage their own image, which a company representative, especially a CEO cannot publicly do. Unless, said praise is meant to open up the relations with China, which is precisely what is happening IMO.

 

[JeffKeryk]

More likely scenario IMO is that he's trying to appease the Chinese government because the west still believes China is the next market for the western companies. And you can't do business there without being nice to the ruling party.

No company CEO would openly drive competitor's products and praise them. It would damage their own image, which a company representative, especially a CEO cannot publicly do. Unless, said praise is meant to open up the relations with China, which is precisely what is happening IMO.

Yeah, I don't get this either. My guess is, there is more to the story. Beyond that, the huge China car market is important to car companies.

 

[buster]

BYD just surpassed Tesla globally. Not surprised.

 

[buster]

Chinese don't want their own EVs. They may have one or two good brands/models, but the rest is garbage that nobody buys.

They just overtook Tesla globally. Is this guy a good source though? Asking because some say he's a western propagandist.

 

[KrisZ]

They just overtook Tesla globally. Is this guy a good source though? Asking because some say he's a western propagandist.

Hard to say these days, but I'd rather believe him than the mainstream media. I grew up in the eastern block and the things this guy mentions in his videos about CCP and their tactics pretty much mirrors what was happening under the USSR regime.
The top priority was always to make the party look good. The means didn't matter and the reality was 99% the opposite of what they were reporting. I don't see how it would be different with CCP.