Chicago area winter driving school recommendations

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This will be my first winter in an RWD car. I would like to take a class/course on winter/snow driving. Not that I've never driven on snow, but I always felt like I could learn a thing or two about how to control the car in unexpected situations or even just get a good feel for the car's behavior. I guess an empty parking lot would do, too, but I don't want to risk damage to the car in case I hit something that's hiding under the snow.

Can you recommend some winter driving schools that aren't too far away from Chicagoland area?
 
no way man. In my opinion u either know how to or dont.
when you will be in a panic situation you either will know what to do or not.
 
I guess I don't agree. That's kind of like saying you either know how to drive or you don't. I think one can learn how to drive.

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when you will be in a panic situation you either will know what to do or not.

Yes, and I want to be the one who knows, hence I want to learn/practice. :D
 
Originally Posted By: Bulli
no way man. In my opinion u either know how to or dont.
when you will be in a panic situation you either will know what to do or not.


Only those who are too obtuse to learn.
 
Having grown up in northwest Indiana many years ago, I have experienced many white knuckle experiences driving on the tri-state due to encounters with the dreaded "Illinois driver".

I agree with Bulli, that most Chicago land drivers do not know how to drive and finding a competent instructor in that area will be a fruitless endeavor.

I also agree with you Quattro, that driving is not a "born with" instinct, but rather is a learned behavior. I am the exception, in that I knew how to drive a "stick" directly out of the womb. Googling "winter driving" and finding a LARGE open parking lot will do you fine.

Besides common sense habits, foot off the accelerator and steer into the direction the car rear end is sliding will get you started.

Good luck!
 
Reader's digest version after driving RWD's (continuously) since '62 and FWD's since '78.:

RWD's suck in the snow.

RWD's are better controlled going down hills and down shifting. (FWD's can come around on you.)


FWD's are better accelerating, starting out, and going juphills (these conditions cause fishtailing in RWD's)

Saying it another way: Pushing gas pedal is user friendly to FWD letting off Gas pedal is user friendly to RWD.

Captain Obvious signing off.
 
Yes, the empty parking lot will teach you more. You can get slap happy and be reckless in "what if" type stuff. Try and duplicate some car commercial on the wet skid pad.
 
The nuances of driving a RWD vehicle are mainly for low-speed situations such as driving in a neighborhood or getting out of a 'stuck' situation.

I didn't know what FWD driving was until after 10 years of driving.
 
Get a set of snow tire! They make a huge difference especially in RWD car. If you are worried about not damaging the car- then definitely get snow tires- they improve pretty much every aspect of driving in snow and ice. Also it does not hurt to put a little weight in the trunk like a bag of sand or better yet- rock salt.

Then as mentioned above- take it out to a parking lot and see how it handles.

In bad weather- no shame is going slow- best thing you can do, better than ending up in a ditch.
 
With my 35 years driving in the winter, I've never gotten stuck in a ditch because as tdpark said, "no shame in going slow". Always focused in the back of my mind, I told myself that spinning out will ruin (and prolong) my evening, and give me a lot of grief.
 
Been there and done that. The only thing that will save your arse is to install a set of STUDDED snows on the rear. If you've got the scratch then put 'em on all four corners. Go the the TIRE RACK, find studdable tires with the snowflake symbol and you'll keep out of the ditches.
 
Over braking and over steering are the biggest mistakes in emergency situations.
Allow yourself plenty of stopping distance in the winter,it is very easy to misjudge the slickness of the road....and the road slickness WILL change, sometimes within a few feet. Think of a shaded area for instance where the ice hasn't melted as an example.
 
Go slow and put a set of new snow tires on the car.

I have driven plenty of RWD cars in the buffalo winter.

It stinks!

F150's are the worst, they have no weight in the rear end.

Ford Tbirds are equally as bad.

Go to home depot, and buy a few hundred pounds of sandbags (about 4 bucks for a 80 pound bag), and put that over the rear axle of the car.

It will be fine in the winter..
 
Originally Posted By: H2GURU
Been there and done that. The only thing that will save your arse is to install a set of STUDDED snows on the rear. If you've got the scratch then put 'em on all four corners. Go the the TIRE RACK, find studdable tires with the snowflake symbol and you'll keep out of the ditches.

I'm pretty sure studded tires aren't usable here in Chicago by non emergency vehicles.

However get a set of Winterforce [if money is an issue] or Nokian [if it's not] and put on all 4 wheels.

Having grown up on RWD Ford Thunderbirds, the snow tires helped a lot. I'd only lose the front end with the all-seasons, so I do recommend all 4 winter tires.
 
Sorry, Quattro, but I grew up in a region that despised "Illinois drivers" only because that was the right thing to do. For real, while riding in a semi truck-trailer with my Hoosier FIL, he started onto a Chicago off ramp knowing that the YUGO between him and the guard rail WOULD move out of the way. Here's some lame stuff that's not worthy of the HUMOR section, please forgive me:

1. A right lane construction closure is just a game to see how many people can cut in line by passing you on the right as you sit in the left lane waiting for the same jerks to squeeze their way back in before hitting the orange construction barrels.
2. Turn signals will give away your next move. A real Chicago driver never uses them.
3. Under no circumstances should you leave a safe distance between you and the car in front of you, or the space will be filled in by somebody else, putting you in an even more dangerous situation.
4. Crossing two or more lanes in a single lane-change is considered going with the flow.
5. The faster you drive through a red light, the smaller the chance you have of getting hit.
6. Never get in the way of an older car that needs extensive bodywork. Illinois is a no-fault insurance state and the other guy doesn't have anything to lose.
7. Braking is to be done as hard and late as possible to ensure that your ABS kicks in, giving a nice, relaxing foot massage as the brake pedal pulsates.
8. For those of you without ABS, it's a chance to stretch your legs.
9. Construction signs tell you about road closures immediately after you pass the last exit before the traffic begins to back up.
10. The new electronic traffic warning system signs are not there to provide useful information. They are only there to make Chicago look high-tech and to distract you from seeing the squad car parked in the median.
11. Never pass on the left when you can pass on the right. It's a good way to scare people entering the highway.
12. Speed limits are arbitrary figures, given only as suggestions and are apparently not enforceable in the Chicago area during rush hour.
13. Just because you're in the left lane and have no room to speed up or move over doesn't mean that a driver flashing his high beams behind you doesn't think he can go faster in your spot.
14. Please remember that there is no such thing as a shortcut during rush-hour traffic in Chicago.
15. Always slow down and take a really good long look when you see an accident or even someone changing a tire.
16. Throwing litter on the roads adds variety to the landscape, keeps the existing litter from getting lonely and gives Adopt-a-highway crews something to clean up.
17. Everybody thinks his or her vehicle is better than yours, especially the pick-up truck drivers with stickers of Calvin peeing on a Ford, Dodge or Chevy logo.
18. Learn to swerve abruptly. Chicago is the home of high-speed slalom driving thanks to IDOT, which puts potholes in key locations to test drivers' reflexes and keep them on heir toes.
19. It is traditional in Chicago to honk your horn at cars that don't move the instant the light changes.
20. Seeking eye contact with another driver revokes your right of way.
21. Never take a green light at face value. Always look right and left before proceeding.
22. Remember that the goal of every Chicago driver is to get there first, by whatever means necessary.
23. Real Chicago women drivers can put on pantyhose and apply eye makeup at seventy-five miles per hour in bumper-to-bumper traffic.
24. Heavy snows, ice, fog, and rain are no reasons to change any of the previously listed rules. These weather conditions are God's way of ensuring a natural selection process for body shops, junkyards, and new vehicle sales.
25. In the Chicago area, flipping someone the bird is considered an Illinois salute, this gesture should always be returned.
 
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Sorry, Quattro, but I grew up in a region that despised "Illinois drivers"

No problem. I only moved here about 6 months ago. And in all honestly, I don't think Illinois drivers are that bad. I've seen much worse in south Florida.
 
For those who don't live in Chicagoland I'd like to put up a post in defense of the drivers here and to make a clarification. I drive about 1,000 miles a week between northwest Indiana and Elgin so I think I am qualified to speak to the driving conditions here. I think that those who live in the Chicago metro area are pretty good, safe, reasonable drivers. I have driven through most of the USA east of the Mississippi river and Chicagoland drivers are better than average, IMHO.

I'll start with the clarification. There is a BIG difference between drivers from the city of Chicago and those who live in the metro area in general. It's nice that the PRC (Peoples Republic of Chicago) has a vehicle tax that includes a big square sticker for your windshield. Just about any car bearing such a sticker can be relied upon to drive like an ABSOLUTE FOOL! City driving involves movements that are mostly lateral and only occasionally forward. This translates poorly to driving on suburban arterials or divided interstates. True Chicagoans can be counted on to change lanes for no reason (out of boredom is my guess) and will fight over every last inch of road. The good thing is that they aren't especially adept at making good stategic lane decisions so you can usually put a few other cars between yourself and the freak.

In defense of the suburbanites though, there is definitely a driving culture here that makes sense and will serve you well if you buy in yourself. Chicagoland driving is aggresive but not mean; we expect you to know it's your turn and to take it without dithering. There are many places on the interstates where lanes end. The most efficient way to handle this is for everyone to hold their lane until the end and then calmly merge - DOT calls it weave - together like the teeth on a zipper. That way everyone knows what everyone else is going to do and there's no confusion about who's turn it is. During get-away days - e.g. Thursday and Friday before a holiday - I can always spot vacationers because they get frustrated trying to "be nice" by cutting in early only to get passed by people using the perfectly good lane they left open.

Regarding getting cut off in slow traffic I have noticed, at least on interstates, that there is a "jitter" period at the begginning of the jam where you do need to keep close or get cut off. After about 1/4 mile of bumper-to-bumper traffic almost all the drivers - except those from the city of Chicago - will chill-out and hold to their chosen lane allowing you to open up a little space with each stop-and-go cycle.

Something else that visitors mention it the use of turn signals. Around here the turn signal is used to indicate a lane change in progress. If you have a problem with that then you should speak up immediately with a honk. I more laid back parts of the country a signal is a request but so much happens so quickly in 3+ lanes of heavy traffic that there's no use using your signal that way. On a road that has more than 2 lanes per direction moving into the interior lanes is always going to have some risk as the driver on the other side may try to change into the same interior at the same time. In that situation you'll need to look /across/ to the far lane for a signal and then quickly grab the space before anything changes. Again, if you see a car with a Chicago parking sticker don't expect anything resembling courtesy.

Around here the drivers I despise is the Ohioans. They drive like idiots at home, where it seems to work for them, and then try to export that wherever they go. The Michigan drivers that make it this far seem to drive with a plan in mind and are usually above average in road behavior.

Calvin

PS As far as the main thread - go slow, stop early and don't trust ANYONE else is doing the same. Be stopped BEFORE you get to an intersection if you don't have ROW and be really ready to stop even if you do.
 
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