Chevy Silverado 5.3L Amsoil 0W-30 SSO 12,040 miles

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Here is a sample from a friends truck I change the oil in once a year with Amsoil 0W-30 SSO (now AZO is in it). Since this fill was in his truck for just shy of 13 months and 12,040 miles I decided to take a sample when I drained it. Not to bad for a high mileage engine of 167,000. He drives 90% city and no make up oil was added. This truck consumed only 1/4 of a quart in 1 year. I'd say this engine is healthy. Did I mention it even has 24" wheels on it?
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Originally Posted By: electrolover
that oxidation is high! and the wear metals are too, but maybe its normal for that many miles...


I wouldn't point to Amsoil just yet for the higher wear iron. This truck previously used cheap engine lubricants all it's life. This could be the better lubricant cleaning out the engine. Will have to follow up with the next UOA.

Originally Posted By: chubbs1
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/2320352/

Just be careful with the short trip driving...


In No way am I saying this guy had an engine running as well as yours.


Thanks for that link. I don't have to worry about short trips with my friend. He works across town, and is a 20 minute drive one way through traffic every day. He also drives to another adjoining town 2 nights a week to join his friends at a bar they frequently attend. I don't know if he ever short trips this truck.
 
Regardless of wear metals or anything else, i'm always impressed by these long, 1 year+ OCIs, esp if zero make up oil was added and there's still some TBN leftover.
 
Gm engines often show higher metals than others, but that doesn't mean shorter engine life. Looks good to me, so once a year OCIs should be the way to go for your friend.
 
Good showing on the oil!!! though I am not sure on the sodium or silicon, I'd ignore the oxidation with a real syn oil. I guess the around town driving would be a higher loading on the engine than freeway driving.
 
Originally Posted By: Unleashedbeast
Originally Posted By: electrolover
that oxidation is high! and the wear metals are too, but maybe its normal for that many miles...


I wouldn't point to Amsoil just yet for the higher wear iron. This truck previously used cheap engine lubricants all it's life. This could be the better lubricant cleaning out the engine. Will have to follow up with the next UOA.


but what about the high oxidation? that seems to be typical of SSO with extended ocis.
i read somewhere that oxidation is a sign of oil degrading, like rust on steel. if thats true you got a problem here
 
Originally Posted By: electrolover
Originally Posted By: Unleashedbeast
Originally Posted By: electrolover
that oxidation is high! and the wear metals are too, but maybe its normal for that many miles...


I wouldn't point to Amsoil just yet for the higher wear iron. This truck previously used cheap engine lubricants all it's life. This could be the better lubricant cleaning out the engine. Will have to follow up with the next UOA.


but what about the high oxidation? that seems to be typical of SSO with extended ocis.
i read somewhere that oxidation is a sign of oil degrading, like rust on steel. if thats true you got a problem here


electrolover,

It’s pretty simple. The oxidation number alone of any oil is meaningless. The number must be compared to the same oil in its virgin state to be of comparative value.

When you say it’s “high” please be specific. What virgin number are you subtracting? And what are you comparing it to?

Thanks,

Paul
 
reckon it just starts off at 50 or 60? so they would flag it on a virgin sample as well for being high?

im not a chemist or an avon vendor so i really cant tell ya. thats why i posted a question. from what i read so far this year oxidation, wear metals, and contamination are what you need to look for to determine whats going on with your oil and engine. but i might be wrong...

but heres a link on oil break down. it hits on oxidation
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/475/oil-breakdown
 
I don' see anything that wrong with it. You don't know the virgin oxidation number. Would Amsoil know that?

I think fuel is the issue with the nitration. Keep going with it and see how the new AZO holds up. That oil has a nice dose of calcium.

I don't think wear metals are high. Certainly not iron. People on this board overrated to fe in UOA's.
 
from what i can tell any oxidation is bad, whether its from the factory or happens in an engine. heres another little tid bit i just found. its part of a big long article and its based for industrial use but i think some parts still apply to us. if im wrong here set me straight! im no chemist, im just trying to make some sense of it all


Corrosion
The oxidation process produces a number of by-products, including acids. Acid attacks component surfaces, causing pitting and surface degradation. In the presence of abrasives, a corrosion-abrasion cycle can erupt whereby corrosion produces easily abraded material that reveals easily corroded nascent metal in a cycle that exaggerates the rate of wear. Water, which is also produced as a by-product of oxidation and ingested from other sources, increases the corrosive potential of acid in oil.

Varnishing
Polymers and oxides are other by-products of the oxidation process. When varnish comes out of solution, it tends to condense onto component surfaces. When varnish collects on gravity-feed oil passageways, starvation can result. When varnish collects on the return line of a flow-controlled bearing, such as those found on a paper machine, the obstruction results in an increased pressure differential across the bearing, which stresses the seals and can cause leakage. Varnish deposits on servo, proportional and other tight-clearance hydraulic valves result in sticking, which can slow or stop operation. Compounding the issue, particles tend to stick to the varnish in valves, which further exacerbates the sticking problem and causes abrasive wear. Varnish deposits that accumulate in the inner surfaces of tanks, pipes and hoses are chemically active and shorten the life of new oil added to the system during a top-up or change.

Loss of Lubricity
Oxidation affects the physical properties of the oil, altering its flow and lubrication characteristics. Likewise, sludge suspensions produced as a result of oil oxidation provide polar surfaces to which active additives like antiwear agents adsorb to the surface of the sludge, rendering them unavailable to protect the machine surfaces, which is their intended function.

here is the whole article if you want to read it
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/596/lubricant-oxidation
 
Originally Posted By: electrolover
reckon it just starts off at 50 or 60? so they would flag it on a virgin sample as well for being high?

im not a chemist or an avon vendor so i really cant tell ya. thats why i posted a question. from what i read so far this year oxidation, wear metals, and contamination are what you need to look for to determine whats going on with your oil and engine. but i might be wrong...

but heres a link on oil break down. it hits on oxidation
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/475/oil-breakdown


ASM, for example starts off virgin with an "oxidation number" of around 47. I imagine SSO is somewhere in the range of 50.

So, what you are looking for is a delta, a change, from the virgin state.
 
Originally Posted By: electrolover
from what i can tell any oxidation is bad, whether its from the factory or happens in an engine. heres another little tid bit i just found. its part of a big long article and its based for industrial use but i think some parts still apply to us. if im wrong here set me straight! im no chemist, im just trying to make some sense of it all



No one is saying oxidation is good. But what you are failing to understand is how oxidation is measured in a lubricant.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: electrolover
from what i can tell any oxidation is bad, whether its from the factory or happens in an engine. heres another little tid bit i just found. its part of a big long article and its based for industrial use but i think some parts still apply to us. if im wrong here set me straight! im no chemist, im just trying to make some sense of it all



No one is saying oxidation is good. But what you are failing to understand is how oxidation is measured in a lubricant.



im all ears man. how is oxidation measured in a lubricant?
 
The second link is most appropriate. FTIR is measuring oxygen bonds. It can't distinguish oxygen that is part of the base oil( esters contain at least two oxygen molecules per base oil molecule) from oxygen present from damage to the oil. It's essential to have a baseline, a blank, to subtract from any oils that contain esters as part of their base oil or as part of the additive package.

It's the same issue as there is with Si in a UOA. The instrument just sees Si. It doesn't know whether it is from dirt ingestion or relatively harmless Si compounds leaching from gaskets, sealers, or from a silicone ADBV.

Ed
 
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