Charging to get home

Hey Jeff, I am just curious, what we be your cost estimate to drive the Corvette that same route given it's MPG?
The mileage is about the same as the Tundra, except it needs the best gas you can get. I had a 70 Coupe with a CRR engine, which is the LS6 from a rare 70 Chevelle. 4 to 6 mpg...
My Corvette is the L36, base model 427 with a mild cam and Q-Jet. 4 speed with a 3:36 rear gear.
The sound, through the Hedman headers and turbos, is pure heaven.

But the Tesla is stinkin' fast...
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No Jeff….I’m saying you love stirring the EV pot!
That is all this guy does then gets Po'd when someone stirs his pot. LOL The other guy that think I hate EV's need to take a chill pill and learn to tell the difference between a wind up and reality.

Question in my mind is what are the automakers going to do when they find out that they can't sell their EVs bcause people can't afford them or don't want them. The automakers seem to have gone all in on EVs. Is the govt. making them go all in?
Of course it is, all of the above. When they threaten to basically ban your product unless you make something else you make something else.
 
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If you're home for 12-20+ hours. I recently rented a Tesla and was at the supercharger everyday at least once.
Exactly why I said no thanks to an EV rental when we go to South Carolina next month. We might visit family in Florida and I'm not going to jerk around looking for places to charge, or hope I can plug it in at my son's apartment which I can't, or my brother's house with some kind of extension cord. Stopping for gas would be a pleasure compared to the hassle of charging an EV. Oh and if we stay at an Airbnb, I have to search for places that have provisions for charging. Another hassle, another strike.
 
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This is the EV section. We talk about EVs here, right? And no, I do not stir any pot. Look at my car list.
How many '60s big V8 cars do you have?

Look, I meant this as a purely informational post, nothing more. This is a tough crowd; the haters gonna hate. If they don't like EVs, why do they waste their time here? BITOG is a great place to learn; I sure do. Perhaps someone might glean some value from my experience? IMO, there are a lot of misconceptions around EVs. I try and keep an open mind and treat people with respect.

FYI I would imagine I work on more old American cars and trucks than most of the people on this forum.
Here's one of my favorites:
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This completely. I have extreme examples that extend beyond the available range in adverse conditions, but the network is there to cover it. Like you said and I've said many times, I've taken this as being a EV enthusiast forum. It shouldn't be a constant battle to defend our life decisions. At the end of the day for me it's about the love of cars, regardless of what they're powered by. There's no doubt in my mind that you embrace that as well. I just want to do a burnout in every power source possible. 😂
 
That is all this guy does then gets Po'd when someone stirs his pot. LOL The other guy that think I hate EV's need to take a chill pill and learn to tell the difference between a wind up and reality.


Of course it is, all of the above. When they threaten to basically ban your product unless you make something else you make something else.
I think that you just suck at reading people and are so blinded by hating EVs that you can't see he happens to be a car guy who also likes EVs.

I don't understand why anyone needs to get worked up over it. No one is forcing you to buy one. No one is overtly banning ICE vehicles, fuel economy standards continue to increase as they have for years, that's it.
 
That is all this guy does then gets Po'd when someone stirs his pot. LOL The other guy that think I hate EV's need to take a chill pill and learn to tell the difference between a wind up and reality.


Of course it is, all of the above. When they threaten to basically ban your product unless you make something else you make something else.
Wrong again... I don't stir up anything. Talking about EVs in the EV section is what it is for.
When did I stir up the pot? How is my thread, about charging up my car on the way home, stirring up the pot? Rear the 1st post. Stopped. Charged. Got some miles. That's it.
When did I ever get PO'ed?

Any time someone has thought I offended them I apologized and explained my thoughts.

You might consider how people read your EV posts from a reader's point of view. Hardly wind up and definitely not reality. Your post #15 was not bad, but fails in that EVs do much better in traffic than ICE cars. That's one of their strong points.
 
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I think that you just suck at reading people and are so blinded by hating EVs that you can't see he happens to be a car guy who also likes EVs.

I don't understand why anyone needs to get worked up over it. No one is forcing you to buy one. No one is overtly banning ICE vehicles, fuel economy standards continue to increase as they have for years, that's it.
You have this totally wrong. Instead of saying EV being offered as an alternative they want to ban ICE.

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/loca...-be-allowed-in-massachusetts-in-2035/2818583/
 
Exactly why I said no thanks to an EV rental when we go to South Carolina next month. We might visit family in Florida and I'm not going to jerk around looking for places to charge, or hope I can plug it in at my son's apartment which I can't, or my brother's house with some kind of extension cord. Stopping for gas would be a pleasure compared to the hassle of charging an EV. Oh and if we stay at an Airbnb, I have to search for places that have provisions for charging. Another hassle, another strike.
What you say is true. But that's today.

Five years ago there were no chargers anywhere. Five years from now they'll be more common. Ten years from now charging facilities of various kinds will be everywhere. At some point there will be fewer gas stations. Times change.

Think about cell phones. Twenty years ago they were unusual and expensive. Today, I (a Luddite, if there ever was one) have one. By the way, where is your nearest pay phone?
 
Gassing up is a hassle. Especially if you have to drive a distance at early hours to get a price break, like I do. Unlike the Model 3 where I just plug in when I get home and start out each day with a full tank.
How far do you drive each day, if I may ask? How often do you gas up?
Well today I didn't drive at all. However last week I went to Alabama and back to see a number of clients and clocked about 1200 miles, most of that on monday and Friday - so it wouldn't work for me but I am pretty unique.

It would work fine for my wife - I think her commute is like 12 miles one way. However the ROI would never work - our gas here is cheap. And I would never do one on a road trip - too easy to fill the tank in either the Rav4 or my truck and know I have just about 400 miles range and there is a gas station in every small town I will come to.

If there was a cheap EV that I could buy to just use around town, I would certainly consider it, but not at current pricing. I am also fairly convinced our grid is on bear threads, so that's a hesitation mark also. Not to mention they lock me out of all the controls and repairs, so that just irks me to no end.

Gassing up is no hassle. I pass nothing but gas stations. There is a nice one about 2 miles from my house. My wife will tell you gassing up is no hassle either, since she hasn't done that in about 25 years since we got married. I fill her tank every weekend. :)
 
Yeah, two of my neighbors have Teslas. One a model Y and one a Model S. I've test driven one in Colorado and driven a couple locally. I get how they work. Point is - the software can't predict a future traffic jam. For @JeffKeryk who never has to run the heat, or the AC, and doesn't drive across long bridges, sure, get just enough of a charge to get home. Pad it by a couple miles. Good to go.

But that doesn't work in the real world.

We, the Tesla owners and I, have talked about this exact scenario - the trapped on a bridge scenario - they do not run the car anywhere as close as the OP in this thread. They've been stuck in the same unexpected traffic jams that I have - things look good, and bam, you're on a road, with no exits, for an extra hour.

What good is re-routing you to a charger, if that charger is inaccessible because you're on a bridge? Or stuck in a tunnel?

The software may be good, but it cannot predict the future. People got trapped on 95, just north of here, for over 12 hours, in the ice storm, remember? How did the software do predicting that? And re-routing Tesla owners to chargers? They got stuck, ran the battery to zero by using the heat, and had to get towed.

Throw in a couple of long bridge/tunnels and it becomes a real threat. A daily threat.

I've been on the Chesapeake Bay bridge tunnel (17 miles long) when there was a crash. Three hours stuck in one spot. Nearest charger was on the shore, over ten miles away, and you cannot turn around on the bridge.

Power consumption when not moving, though, is not zero if, as I described, it's a day like today - over 90 degrees, over 90% humidity. You need electricity to run the AC. Or heat as those stuck on 95 found out.

Besides, your statement that such a scenario is not really possible is simply untrue.

It's not only possible, it is likely.

And Tesla owners around here account for that.
Your points are valid but are also very region specific. For the purposes of this dialogue, I checked Supercharger availability in the Chesapeake Bay area:

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I am a bit surprised by the low number of Supercharger options in this area. However, unless one intentionally drives around with a low SOC, the scenario you described is very unlikely. If the driver is especially concerned about the mapping software's recommendation, there are multiple Supercharger options available for a 5-10 min top-off that would fully eliminate any possibility of being stranded in the tunnel.

Side note, for comparison, this is my region. Lots of supercharging options:

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Your points are valid but are also very regional specific. For the purposes of this dialogue, I checked Supercharger availability in the Chesapeake Bay area:

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I am a bit surprised by the low number of Supercharger options in this area. However, unless one intentionally drives around with a low SOC, the scenario you described is very unlikely. If the driver is especially concerned about the mapping software's recommendation, there are multiple Supercharger options available for a 5-10 min top-off that would fully eliminate any possibility of being stranded in the tunnel.

Side note, for comparison, this is my region. Lots of supercharging options:

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I deal with West Contra Costa, and it is rather odd for the Bay Area where there's nothing near I-80/CA-4 on the way between El Cerrito/Richmond and Martinez. It seems like there should be something there - especially Pinole Vista Center or Hilltop Plaza. But it's nothing like what I was dealing with going up the North Coast where it might be 100 miles between charging stations. We charged to about 90% in Ukiah and hoped that we would make it to Eureka, which we did with plenty of charge left. However, there were a lot of road construction single-lane controls and one-way signaled roads, but in the end that didn't use much more juice.

That being said, if it's an emergency and one is willing to deal with Level 2 charging, it's not that bad. It seems like a lot of auto dealers are setting up public charging stations. And it's really weird because I read somewhere that the Chevron Richmond Refinery is setting up a Tesla Destination Charger (as a courtesy to refinery visitors), although if I'm that area I'd probably use a Tesla Supercharger in a CVS parking lot in Point Richmond. If anything, I'm thinking employees are going to be using that.
 
Well today I didn't drive at all. However last week I went to Alabama and back to see a number of clients and clocked about 1200 miles, most of that on monday and Friday - so it wouldn't work for me but I am pretty unique.

It would work fine for my wife - I think her commute is like 12 miles one way. However the ROI would never work - our gas here is cheap. And I would never do one on a road trip - too easy to fill the tank in either the Rav4 or my truck and know I have just about 400 miles range and there is a gas station in every small town I will come to.

If there was a cheap EV that I could buy to just use around town, I would certainly consider it, but not at current pricing. I am also fairly convinced our grid is on bear threads, so that's a hesitation mark also. Not to mention they lock me out of all the controls and repairs, so that just irks me to no end.

Gassing up is no hassle. I pass nothing but gas stations. There is a nice one about 2 miles from my house. My wife will tell you gassing up is no hassle either, since she hasn't done that in about 25 years since we got married. I fill her tank every weekend. :)
For sure, EVs are not for every use case; nothing is. I would be curious to plan your trip via the Tesla GPS.
I realize I live in a Silicon Valley bubble. There's tons of Superchargers in my area; I never use them.
Our Mid Range can make the 180+ mile round trip if I charge to 95%. Here's the route; you can see Los Gatos in the South Bay and Petaluma up north of the City. I charged at Novato and then flew home on a beautiful ride playing Southern Rock on the Premium Stereo.
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The mileage is about the same as the Tundra, except it needs the best gas you can get. I had a 70 Coupe with a CRR engine, which is the LS6 from a rare 70 Chevelle. 4 to 6 mpg...
My Corvette is the L36, base model 427 with a mild cam and Q-Jet. 4 speed with a 3:36 rear gear.
The sound, through the Hedman headers and turbos, is pure heaven.

But the Tesla is stinkin' fast...
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Thanks man for your response. I never get tired of looking at pics of the 68-72 vintage.
 
EVs, an idea whose time has come, they will legitimately say around 2040. Wind turbines and solar farms also. Maybe. But until another generation passes they are all pipe dreams being forced upon us a generation too soon to do what they are meant and claimed to do. Yeah, they're passable now. But who wants "passable". YMMV
 
Your points are valid but are also very region specific. For the purposes of this dialogue, I checked Supercharger availability in the Chesapeake Bay area:

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I am a bit surprised by the low number of Supercharger options in this area. However, unless one intentionally drives around with a low SOC, the scenario you described is very unlikely. If the driver is especially concerned about the mapping software's recommendation, there are multiple Supercharger options available for a 5-10 min top-off that would fully eliminate any possibility of being stranded in the tunnel.

Side note, for comparison, this is my region. Lots of supercharging options:

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Only 1 charger in Williamsburg, Va Beach and the Eastern shore?? Va Beach has tons of people in the summer. There’s bound to be many Teslas. I guess the charger at the southern end of the Eastern Shore is to allow EVs to charge up to get across the Bay Bridge Tunnel.
 
Yesterday I found a list of power plants closing in the US by state. The number of coal and gas power plants closing in the next 3-5 years is incredible. My question is where are we going to get the make up power from? Don’t tell me wind and solar.
 
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