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Originally Posted By: sm00thpapa
There are over 1,000's of posts that say PZ is the best cleaning oil and you choose mine to question just like the other guy.

Repeating hearsay doesn't make it true. I'm sure you realize there are a lot of opinions floating around on BITOG. Unfortunately, a lot of it is not scientific, and many people confuse marketing fluff for a fact.

Just go to any oil mfg website. Every single one will tell you that their oil has excellent cleaning abilities. Go figure.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: sm00thpapa
There are over 1,000's of posts that say PZ is the best cleaning oil and you choose mine to question just like the other guy.

Repeating hearsay doesn't make it true. I'm sure you realize there are a lot of opinions floating around on BITOG. Unfortunately, a lot of it is not scientific, and many people confuse marketing fluff for a fact.

Just go to any oil mfg website. Every single one will tell you the their oil has excellent cleaning abilities. Go figure.



Yes your correct, I agree. Is there a reason why you are running PZ Ultra? Maybe it has more cleaning abilities was part of your decision.

Mobil 1 states they are the best oil and have their paper to prove it. Amsoil says they are the best oil and have their paper to prove it. So who is telling the truth?

By me stating that PZ is the best cleaning oil is my opinion. If you don't agree with it just move on. No need to question it as it has been stated on many forums in the past years. I'm not here to argue, it is just my opinion. Obviously you don't agree with it so let's move on. Have a great evening.
 
Hi,
sm00thpapa - You said this:

"Guess you, like him didn't have your coffee today."

Flippant comments really don't fit the genre of BITOG. As a quite new Member of BITOG perhaps you could learn from others who are obviously more experienced in the field than you appear to be!

Sadly you have not been able to back up your previous statements with facts and measurable data and I dare say you won't be able to!
 
Originally Posted By: sm00thpapa
Is there a reason why you are running PZ Ultra?

Yes. I got it for free, so I'm using it. I'm cheap like that. I believe all oils that meet a certain spec are comparable, so I just go for whatever is on sale.

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Mobil 1 states they are the best oil and have their paper to prove it. Amsoil says they are the best oil and have their paper to prove it. So who is telling the truth?

That was precisely my point. Everyone has their specific test that lets them brag about one thing or another and make it appear as if they're the king of the hill.

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By me stating that PZ is the best cleaning oil is my opinion.

Well, I'm glad we've got it cleared up. I did not know whether that was your opinion or you knew something the rest of us didn't.
smile.gif


Nothing wrong with Pennzoil.

Take care.
 
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
sm00thpapa - You said this:

"Guess you, like him didn't have your coffee today."

Flippant comments really don't fit the genre of BITOG. As a quite new Member of BITOG perhaps you could learn from others who are obviously more experienced in the field than you appear to be!

Sadly you have not been able to back up your previous statements with facts and measurable data and I dare say you won't be able to!




Did you not know that you can search and read this forum without registering? My join date has nothing to do with how long I been reading this forum.

Oh wait I'm sure you can prove that my join date was my first date on the forum by stating:

"As a quite new Member of BITOG."


We didn't agree on a statement so we just need to move on. Take care......
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: sm00thpapa
Is there a reason why you are running PZ Ultra?

Yes. I got it for free, so I'm using it. I'm cheap like that. I believe all oils that meet a certain spec are comparable, so I just go for whatever is on sale.

Quote:

Mobil 1 states they are the best oil and have their paper to prove it. Amsoil says they are the best oil and have their paper to prove it. So who is telling the truth?

That was precisely my point. Everyone has their specific test that lets them brag about one thing or another and make it appear as if they're the king of the hill.

Quote:

By me stating that PZ is the best cleaning oil is my opinion.

Well, I'm glad we've got it cleared up. I did not know whether that was your opinion or you knew something the rest of us didn't.
smile.gif


Nothing wrong with Pennzoil.

Take care.


Hey free oil especially Ultra I can understand why you would use it.
 
The second post in this thread was a useful, thoughtful and respectful response to the OP.

The second post might have been - I didn't follow the link.

Past that point, let's not feed the troll any more.
 
I would stick with the viscosity that is listed in the owner's manual....unless there is some good reason not to, like some special engine modification.

The only modification..to what is in the owner's manual...that has been mentioned is using a 0W-xx in place of 5W-xx.
The 0W-xx oils have become more available since 2007 and are very good.....it has better cold flow, but is the same at operating temp (that is what the 2nd number is for) as the 5W.
However, the 5W-xx will still serve you VERY well.

If using Mobil 1.....I would spring for the slight price bump and go for the EP as it has a better add pack.
Mobil also makes a High Mileage oil, if you think there is something that needs "cleaned up".
You may or may not have anything to clean up.
The line between "Dyno" and "Synthetic" has become quite blury so I would not assume that "dyno" oil left deposits.......and I'm a synthetic oil guy saying this.
Mobil 1 has a good "clean motor" reputation on here from posts that I have read.
 
Wiswind, I'm starting to think the best thing is to keep it on Dino oil and 5-30 as Ford says, although 10-30 &10-40 has been its diet, so maybe just keep the 10-30. Reading the for going posts 5-30 seems viable. Spad
 
Originally Posted By: Spad
Wiswind, I'm starting to think the best thing is to keep it on Dino oil and 5-30 as Ford says, although 10-30 &10-40 has been its diet, so maybe just keep the 10-30. Reading the for going posts 5-30 seems viable. Spad


^^That`s what I`d do
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In the old days when I raced sports cars Quaker State Racing oil was the good stuff. My supercharged car that I used as a track car a few years ago I had great success with Mobil One. Big difference between street duty though, as the oil was changed between track days or races. The forum here is a nice site for those of us who have been outside the loop for awhile. Spad
 
Do you have any evidence of this? , brings me to think of the Consumer Reports test where they tore down engines and said under those circumstances syn and convential did not seem to matter wear wise. Nor did 3k or 6k oci. For the most part almost everything else, except for Tom of NJ threads, are opinions. IMHO when you tear down engines that is pretty good proof.
 
Originally Posted By: ottotheclown
Do you have any evidence of this? , brings me to think of the Consumer Reports test where they tore down engines and said under those circumstances syn and convential did not seem to matter wear wise. Nor did 3k or 6k oci. For the most part almost everything else, except for Tom of NJ threads, are opinions. IMHO when you tear down engines that is pretty good proof.


I agree with you. Synthetic oil doesn`t protect an engine from wear (imo) better than a conventional,especially when most synths are conventionals anyway. From running synth,dino,reading about oil here,elsewhere on the net,etc,it seems to me the only engines that`ll benefit from synth (real synth like pao and ester) are cars that are raced/dragged,tracked either continously and/or professionally.
 
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If I operated my automobile in extreme conditions--extreme cold, extreme hot, or strickly in town short trips--I might consider Synthetic, but not with mileage above 10K or so.
I have talked with a few people that changed from one type oil to the other and had problems with higher mileage vehicles.
Most encountered oil leaks because the two types of oil have different "oil swell properties".
Some started burning oil.
On the other hand, I have spoke with a smaller number of people who had no problems.
IMO---Why take the chance?
 
Unless you want to run long oil change intervals, I don't see an advantage to using synthetic oil. Stick with dino.
 
Originally Posted By: whip
Unless you want to run long oil change intervals, I don't see an advantage to using synthetic oil. Stick with dino.

...or a Blend... like Motorcraft
 
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