Champ XL = K&N Pro Series?

[Addicted2jeepz]

So... I understand that without knowing the exact makeup of the media, I can't know for sure - but my Champ 2867XL's that I just bought from Rock Auto appear to be the exact same filter as the K&N PS-1010 that I paid $3/ea last year when Amazon & Walmart were clearancing them.
I know this probably isn't earth shattering news since they are both First Brands filters, but I just thought I'd share the info

 

[bullwinkle]

Sure look similar! I couldn't get K&N nor Champ to reveal the efficiency of the PS-1010s, I tried. They're both Champion Labs made Ecore synthetic blend media filters, likely similar to the older non "A" suffix Mobil 1s. Not that they're necessarily bad, but it amazes me that K&N, for an alleged "performance parts" company, can't give out ANY information on their products!

 

[Addicted2jeepz]

Sure look similar! I couldn't get K&N nor Champ to reveal the efficiency of the PS-1010s, I tried. They're both Champion Labs made Ecore synthetic blend media filters, likely similar to the older non "A" suffix Mobil 1s. Not that they're necessarily bad, but it amazes me that K&N, for an alleged "performance parts" company, can't give out ANY information on their products!

I know, I don't understand why they're so tight lipped? Oh well, these XL's were still a lot cheaper than the K&N now at regular price!

 

[ZeeOSix]

I know, I don't understand why they're so tight lipped?

Because no company wants to show mediocre or bad performance specs. Some companies will tell you their filters efficiency specs are "proprietary" ... biggest side track excuse I've ever heard. Next, car companies will be saying their car's HP and T ratings are "proprietary".

 

[PimTac]

No more nuts on the K&N filters?

 

[Blagoje]

I am inclined to believe that the K&N filter media is no different from that which is used on the Supertech filters. I could be wrong but anecdotally I recall years ago reading that K&N's filtration efficiency benchmark was roughly equivalent to that of a Fram orange can, which today is roughly equivalent to that of a Supertech. I would speculate that it is the same filter media in a stronger can, probably the same can as what is used with the Royal Purple filter.

 

[Addicted2jeepz]

No more nuts on the K&N filters?

The HP series has the nuts on the end, this is the cheaper ($6-7ish) PS series. Many equal or better filters for the same price or less.

 

[Addicted2jeepz]

Because no company wants to show mediocre or bad performance specs. Some companies will tell you their filters efficiency specs are "proprietary" ... biggest side track excuse I've ever heard. Next, car companies will be saying their car's HP and T ratings are "proprietary".

LOL, true but the XL claims 90% at 20 so the K&N is either using a cheaper media, or missing out on a great advertising opportunity!!

 

[adams355]

LOL, true but the XL claims 90% at 20 so the K&N is either using a cheaper media, or missing out on a great advertising opportunity!!

Isn't the XL 99% at 20?

 

[Blagoje]

Isn't the XL 99% at 20?

Yes

 

[nthach]

No more nuts on the K&N filters?

IIRC, I think those are banned from motorcycle racing or track use due to spot welds weakening the can.

 

[Addicted2jeepz]

Isn't the XL 99% at 20?

Yes, that was a typo on my part, meant 99% - thanks!!
I tried to fix it just now, but it's too late and I can't edit it...

 

[adams355]

Yes, that was a typo on my part, meant 99% - thanks!!
I tried to fix it just now, but it's too late and I can't edit it...

Yea I thought it might have been, all good.

 

[haggler]

Both these are supertech 20k filters. Also willing to bet they are 99 @ 30mic like those.

 

[bullwinkle]

The HP series has the nuts on the end, this is the cheaper ($6-7ish) PS series. Many equal or better filters for the same price or less.

The PS ones are better than the HP ones with the nuts-which can rust underneath, crack at the spot welds, and really don't have any better media (efficiency still none of our dang business!).

 

[JTK]

I believe the Champ XL's are about impossible to find now anyway. I know the rock no longer carries them for any of my applications. They can be found NOS on FleBay, but for around $9/ea. I'll stick with my under $2/ea regular Champs. I've been through a bunch of Champ PH48's. I cut every used one open. They seem well constructed for the $.

 

[Addicted2jeepz]

Both these are supertech 20k filters. Also willing to bet they are 99 @ 30mic like those.

I have no way of knowing for sure but according to this the XL is 99% at 20
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/champ-xl-oil-filter-efficiency.351854/post-6041590

 

[brianl703]

I believe the Champ XL's are about impossible to find now anyway. I know the rock no longer carries them for any of my applications. They can be found NOS on FleBay, but for around $9/ea. I'll stick with my under $2/ea regular Champs. I've been through a bunch of Champ PH48's. I cut every used one open. They seem well constructed for the $.

For whatever reason, Champ XL filters aren't listed by application on Rockauto's site. But if you know the part number, you can order them by searching for that part number. To find the part number for the filter you need, search here: https://www.champlabs.com/brands/champ/

 

[Cyoungso1]

Seems odd the RA removed them from the application listings, but I have ordered several PH47XL by part number