Challenging read- Special ops soldier won’t face charges after fatally shooting civilian on his property

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As a utility worker, who has a van wrapped in company logos and hi-viz clothing with the company name on them, if I run into a customer that doesn’t want me on their property(rare but it does happen) I say no problem and leave. The higher ups will contact law enforcement and we’ll come back with LEO’s. When people sign up for utility service they sign a contract allowing us 24/7 access to our equipment but many customers don’t want to hear that and no job is worth dying over. We disconnect customers for non-payment of bills so I’ve been in plenty of precarious situations and if in doubt we walk away.

That utility worker was an idiot, period.
 
“utility contractor as part of Brightspeed’s fiber optic expansion in Carthage.”

So he worked for Brightspeed or a subcontractor?

If sub I would like to sniff around the gills
 
SNWMBL said:
As a utility worker, who has a van wrapped in company logos and hi-viz clothing with the company name on them, if I run into a customer that doesn’t want me on their property(rare but it does happen) I say no problem and leave. The higher ups will contact law enforcement and we’ll come back with LEO’s. When people sign up for utility service they sign a contract allowing us 24/7 access to our equipment but many customers don’t want to hear that and no job is worth dying over. We disconnect customers for non-payment of bills so I’ve been in plenty of precarious situations and if in doubt we walk away.

That utility worker was an idiot, period.
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You do understand the guy was fresh off the boat, with no English whatsoever, do you? The idiots were the people that hired him.
 
chainblu said:
. If utility lines cut through a property that might be a grey area, but I don't think it's the case here.
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I could be wrong but I thought that was the exact scenario here? Power line that runs through the property or did I read it wrong?
 
KrisZ said:
You do understand the guy was fresh off the boat, with no English whatsoever, do you? The idiots were the people that hired him.
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No, I did not read all the comments. In that case it’s on the employer for being cheap and hiring a non English speaking worker.
 
KrisZ said:
I posted a link to an article that mentions it, where is the evidence for the forensics?
Forensics claim is totally made up. It’s all based on “trust the professionals” aka the government.
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Yea, it mentions that they are still waiting.

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Also:
"reviewing digital evidence containing electrical infrastructure maps related to the utility expansion provided to employees from a Russian cloud server."
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JWC86 said:
I could be wrong but I thought that was the exact scenario here? Power line that runs through the property or did I read it wrong?
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I reread the link in the OP and, to me, it just isn't clear. I've admitted at least twice in this thread that I'm not sure where he was,
 
Astro14 said:
The key elements of a threat - ability, opportunity, and intent.
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I don't see any of the three here.

Ability - Was this poorly dressed and marked surveyor armed? No evidence of that
Opportunity - If the homeowner stayed in their house and waited for authorities to arrive there would be no opportunity
Intent - Clearly there was no intent here
 
I may be the exception thinking the Colonel (assuming he wasn't a "telephone" colonel here) showed restraint. I had the privilege to work with a number of folks that had been in operational special forces positions at an earlier point when I was in the service. I had the distinct impression the second call to the police if they were involved would be to tell them where to pick up the body.
 
Tried to read the actual article, no dice - ads galore, I'm not disabling ad blocker for this.
From reading commenting posts here, both were idiots, spec ops guy is very special indeed; Chechen guy will likely get avenged, very special ops guy has targets all over his body. There is a tradition with Caucasus nations - blood for blood. Offender has to be dealt with.
I doubt Chechen guy was fighting on Russian side, he'd not get into USA; on the other hand - the ones that were on UA side and flying swastikas have free pass.
 
dishdude said:
I don't see any of the three here.

Ability - Was this poorly dressed and marked surveyor armed? No evidence of that
Opportunity - If the homeowner stayed in their house and waited for authorities to arrive there would be no opportunity
Intent - Clearly there was no intent here
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Someone doesn’t have to be armed to be a threat

They told him they weren’t coming

Have you never heard of rural houses getting cased? Esp by people that dont speak any or passable English?


I can’t say I agree with you on these three points, maybe on the part about staying in the house, I can see how some would do that but if some guy is coming onto my property at those hours and waving a phone around taking pictures I’m going to be putting a stop to that.
 
Someone who is within 21 feet of you acting aggressively and lunging is a threat.
Someone who is within 21 feet of you acting aggressively and lunging has opportunity.
Someone who is within 21 feet of you acting aggressively and lunging and not leaving when asked has demonstrated ill intent.

The police aren't coming, at least not in a timely manner.

His family is there.

He has no duty to hide in his house.

We don't have all the facts, but based on the story as presented i think FAFO.

Also a "real" company doing "real" business is just about meaningless.
 
DuckRyder said:
Someone who is within 21 feet of you acting aggressively and lunging is a threat.
Someone who is within 21 feet of you acting aggressively and lunging has opportunity.
Someone who is within 21 feet of you acting aggressively and lunging and not leaving when asked has demonstrated ill intent.

The police aren't coming, at least not in a timely manner.

His family is there.

He has no duty to hide in his house.

We don't have all the facts, but based on the story as presented i think FAFO.

Also a "real" company doing "real" business is just about meaningless.
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Homeowner comes out to discuss. A dispute ensues. Homeowner returns to his home to get a gun, returns, fight continues, homeowner shoots supposed trespasser.

Castle doctrine only applies to home, immediate outbuildings and your car in NC. So it fails that test.

Stand your ground - your not obligated to retreat, but if you do you don't get to go back. The homeowner was originally unarmed - according to the article. He returned to his house, got a gun and returned. Its not stand our ground anymore, your the aggressor. Failed Stand your ground.

Also have to be in fear of imminent harm, and the response needs to be commensurate. Does anyone think a armed full bird colonel should fear an unarmed dude in flip flops so much he can shoot him. Failed stand your ground again.

Trespassing, or even trespassing and taking pictures, not something you can shoot someone for. No imminent threat.

However especially given the circumstances, a decent lawyer can get the wrongful death suit pushed to federal court, and I believe that makes it Raleigh. Different crowd. Colonel will likely loose his farm over it either way.

No good came out of this interaction.
 
DuckRyder said:
I agree with that.

At such point he lunged at the homeowner - nothing else matters he is the "assailant", not the "supposed trespasser".
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At least we agree on something.

The stand your ground laws are clear. He chose to retreat - he didn't have to, but was not armed at that point. When he came back armed, he is now the aggressor. The lunging "assailant" is the one standing his ground actually. Not saying its right, but that is the law.

So in this case, we choose not to follow the law for whatever reason. Because in this instance we don't like the law.

When the other side decides not to follow the law because they don't like it, then we get mad.

Were either a nation of laws or were a Banana Republic. It is clearer to me every day which we are.
 
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