I agree with Tempest, I looked at Ceratec and it's closer to MotorSilk than it is to Cermax.
MotorSilk is another one that I'm interested in. Maybe I'll test it in the Z06 and compare the differences with Cermax that I'm testing now in my 4Runner.
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I agree with Tempest, I looked at Ceratec and it's closer to MotorSilk than it is to Cermax.
MotorSilk is another one that I'm interested in. Maybe I'll test it in the Z06 and compare the differences with Cermax that I'm testing now in my 4Runner.
"The patent application references a product called STM-3 with no reference at all to Cermax."
Prior to Cerma Technology taking on the active marketing role of this product it appears that it was known as STM3 and/or MotorLife. If you look on Cerma Technology's documentation section of their website you will see both names come up.
Prior to Cerma Technology taking on the active marketing role of this product it appears that it was known as STM3 and/or MotorLife. If you look on Cerma Technology's documentation section of their website you will see both names come up.
I saw both references on Cerma's website, but cannot find any reference to either product anywhere else except for these two places. I'm guessing the product was never marketed under these other product names?
Notice below the term "micro-ceramics" in an excerpt from CerTec advertising. I believe it also appears in Cermax ads. That was the source of the similarity I mentioned. I am not a chemical or mechanical engineer so I appreciate the the comments that Certac is different than Cermax.
"CeraTec engine treatment combines micro-ceramics with coating agents for optimal lubrication in extreme conditions. 300ml bottle"
"CeraTec engine treatment combines micro-ceramics with coating agents for optimal lubrication in extreme conditions. 300ml bottle"
Thanks, I assume our point is that size differences of packages this just another difference between the two products. BTW, CeraTec has the european TUV certification. Does this have any value in this case?
Russell, both products have similar 'micro-ceramics' references and I'm not sure what constitutes 'micro-ceramics' so your guess is as good as mine.
Reading the latest patent application for STM-3, it appears that Cermax is a different formulation than what is referenced. It also doesn't state anything about ceramics.
Concerning the patent, I find it rather bogus that the tests cited use a higher concentration of STM-3 than what is currently recommended and marketed by Cerma.
The more I research, the more confused I get.....
Cermax is claiming that their product is 100% useful product with no carrier oil/solvent. And that it chemically changes from a liquid Siloxane to a Ceramic coating under the heat of the engine. I think this would be easy to test if one has product. Simply heat a piece of metal to 200F+ and add the Cermax (one drop should do). Observe results over time (supposed to happen within 20 min according to their marketing).
The CeraTec clearly states that the ceramic is already formed and contained in a carrier oil. As I recall, someone that had used CeraTec in the past had said that it was pink color.
The CeraTec clearly states that the ceramic is already formed and contained in a carrier oil. As I recall, someone that had used CeraTec in the past had said that it was pink color.
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Weeeel, although I don't really think that there's any "magic elixir" out there, I'll hold off on the hanging until '03 EB/B Corvette Z06 gets done with his 4Runner testing.
Has there been any consensus of what constitutes a success or failure? I mean, you're probably going to see elevated silicon in the oil ..are we talking compression tests ..fuel economy test (vulnerable to a wide range of variables) ..consumption ....and some longevity component if indeed favorable results are achieved?
Has there been any consensus of what constitutes a success or failure? I mean, you're probably going to see elevated silicon in the oil ..are we talking compression tests ..fuel economy test (vulnerable to a wide range of variables) ..consumption ....and some longevity component if indeed favorable results are achieved?
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