CEO Farley can't be that dumb...

[tmorris1]

How did Tesla do it? Seems to me that there's already a template for a network, or am I missing something?

That is why he says that they will be able to use Tesla network in 2024. They seem to be partnering to use Tesla's charging network,

 

[UncleDave]

That is why he says that they will be able to use Tesla network in 2024. They seem to be partnering to use Tesla's charging network,

Access to the tesla network only solves part of Fords problem.

The other problem Ford has to fix is their charging performance.

The lightning simply has poor charge performance. 150 KW peak and a steep ramp down isnt getting it done for a 130 KWH pack.
The MachE is completely middle to bottom end performer showing up dead last in multi car same trip comparisons.

 

[DuckRyder]

The lightning simply has poor charge performance.

I can no longer find it but i saw somewhere (likely a video from TFL or Long McArthur ) that this is to be addressed with a new onboard charger in 24. Guess it remains to be seen.

 

[Trav]

That's the same old bu11$h1t meme thats been repeated here ad nauseum. The production and distribution of electricity will come in time.

Look how far we've come in just a few years, look at what's being tried and improved. Maybe not fast enough or thorough enough for some, but progress typically runs slowly and is often plagued with setbacks.

People are criticizing ford's inductive roadway. It's certainly not ready for prime time. But it's another building block for the future. The future always comes just as the past is often left behind.

Shel around most parts of the snow belt they cant even repair the pot holes and bridges because of lack of funds, the country has almost 32 TRILLION in debt, where in pray tell is the money coming from?
IMO until they get this debt under control, stop wasting money on everything from foreign wars, all sorts of crack pot schemes none of this green new deal should even get 10c, time to put the brakes on and save some cash.

 

[Shel_B]

Shel around most parts of the snow belt they cant even repair the pot holes and bridges because of lack of funds, the country has almost 32 TRILLION in debt, where in pray tell is the money coming from?
IMO until they get this debt under control, stop wasting money on everything from foreign wars, all sorts of crack pot schemes none of this green new deal should even get 10c, time to put the brakes on and save some cash.

I don't disagree with what you've said. The debt is insane, and we really have to straighten up our own house. However, I believe it can be done, however, I'm not sure it will be done. I would love to see this country back on a solid financial footing.

 

[PandaBear]

These people need a reality check. Fords latest brainstorm, is crazy, in many areas of the US the grid and the roads are in worse condition than sub Saharan Africa yet they want this. Where is the money and electricity coming from for these hair brained schemes?

https://autos.yahoo.com/ford-road-charging-patent-application-142300741.html

There is nothing stupid about applying for patents so you can sue anything remotely close to it. Whether they really build it is another story.

 

[PandaBear]

How did Tesla do it? Seems to me that there's already a template for a network, or am I missing something?

Tesla is build on startup money, when the company was from ground up, with no legacy business. You can take high risk and high return with low interest.

Ford and other legacy companies have legacy businesses, they cannot just say "trust me bro I am using this money to build a new business and it will go big or go home without dragging my legacy business into it". On the plus side you know they have a legacy business to leverage on and you know they won't go out of business, like Fisker, if their cars don't sell. On the minus side you can't get a Tesla from them, they will definitely leverage some old stuff from their gas cars.

 

[PandaBear]

That's the same old bu11$h1t meme thats been repeated here ad nauseum. The production and distribution of electricity will come in time.

Look how far we've come in just a few years, look at what's being tried and improved. Maybe not fast enough or thorough enough for some, but progress typically runs slowly and is often plagued with setbacks.

People are criticizing ford's inductive roadway. It's certainly not ready for prime time. But it's another building block for the future. The future always comes just as the past is often left behind.

If anyone willing to build that, it wouldn't be in the US. Either somewhere in Europe (Norway?), or China with their central planning and high density road (dedicated EV and bus lane?).

The problem with not patenting things is, if someone else patent it and it hit a home run, you have nothing to negotiate with, and you are going to pay through your nose to license it.

 

[GON]

I don't disagree with what you've said. The debt is insane, and we really have to straighten up our own house. However, I believe it can be done, however, I'm not sure it will be done. I would love to see this country back on a solid financial footing.

Shel, not fully sure of your holistic thoughts on your post. But I will say, in the US in can be done. All that is needed is to remove regulations and constraints put in place by government. And remove barriers to entry. Finally, remove incentives not to work.

The US people will rock and roll beyond belief by removing regulations and barriers to entry.

 

[GON]

Tesla is build on startup money, when the company was from ground up, with no legacy business. You can take high risk and high return with low interest.

Ford and other legacy companies have legacy businesses, they cannot just say "trust me bro I am using this money to build a new business and it will go big or go home without dragging my legacy business into it". On the plus side you know they have a legacy business to leverage on and you know they won't go out of business, like Fisker, if their cars don't sell. On the minus side you can't get a Tesla from them, they will definitely leverage some old stuff from their gas cars.

Tsla and ford are in completely different businesses. TSLA is in the reoccurring revenue and subscription business. Ford is in the car and truck manufacturing business. TSLA is simply using electric vehicles, many produced by TSLA, to generate reoccurring revenue and subscriptions. TSLA 's center of gravity is not vehicle manufacturering, not even close. tSLA simply manufacturers evs as a ways to achieve critical mass for their business model of reoccurring revenue and subscriptions.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Tsla and ford are in completely different businesses. TSLA is in the reoccurring revenue and subscription business. Ford is in the car and truck manufacturing business. TSLA is simply using electric vehicles, many produced by TSLA, to generate reoccurring revenue and subscriptions. TSLA 's center of gravity is not vehicle manufacturering, not even close. tSLA simply manufacturers evs as a ways to achieve critical mass for their business model of reoccurring revenue and subscriptions.

Tesla is a tech company. Agreed, software subscriptions offer great promise. Right now, they are making big money on their EV business while the big guys loose billion$ every quarter. Beyond that, Tesla has products in development we may not even heard of. Tesla is hardball while everyone else is trying to figure out what went wrong.

Tesla Bot anyone?