Castrol GTX gets caught again

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First it was GM catching GTX for changing to a new formulation that didn't meet minimum GM spec in 2007 - DOAH! Now Castrol is dinged for using non-industry-standard test data to make broad-based sludge performance claims - and they apparently used formulations that don't even meet the MB OEM engine spec for the particular test they did run). Why not just use the industry standard sludge-related tests for SM or GF-4? Tisk, tisk.

(found online)
BBB's NAD Recommends Modification of BP's Advertising Claims For Castrol GTX

The National Advertising Division of the Council of Better Business Bureaus has recommended that BP America, Inc. modify or discontinue certain advertising claims for the company’s Castrol GTX motor oil. BP America has indicated it will appeal NAD’s finding to the National Advertising Review Board.

Broadcast and Website advertising claims, as well as claims included in a technical brochure, were challenged before NAD, the advertising industry’s self-regulatory forum, by Pennzoil-Quaker State Company.

The challenged television commercial depicts a stunt driver about to jump a line-up of buses, when the car he is driving is drenched by a torrent of sludge, causing the car to stop dead. The voiceover states: “Engine sludge can strike anyone. So get Castrol GTX. It’s superior sludge protection, 57% better than the leading 5W-30. Tests prove it.” An on-screen super reads: “In M271 Sludge Test.”

The challenged Website featured the television commercial, as well as the claims:

* “Superior Sludge Protection. 57% better than the leading 5W-30. Tests prove it”
* “our new formulation in 5W-40 and 10W-30 grades is so powerful that it passed the industry’s toughest sludge standard. . . Superior Sludge Protection Among Leading Oils*” [*In 5W-30 and 10W-30 grades.”

The challenged technical bulletin (brochure) featured the claims:

* “The latest TV ads for GTX continue Castrol’s extremely successful series of spots highlighting GTX’s proven superior sludge protection. The newest GTX claim is: “Tests prove GTX 5W-30 provides superior sludge protection, 57% better than the leading 5W-30 competitive oil in the M271 sludge test.

* This new GTX claim is simple, powerful and true. GTX 5W-30 provides superior sludge protection, as proven in M271 tests, where GTX provides 57% more sludge protection than Pennzoil 5W-30.

. . Castrol relies upon a test created by a major global automobile manufacturer, which clearly separates the two oils. GTX 5W-30 passes a higher recognized level of sludge protection. Pennzoil 5W-30 does not. In fact, Pennzoil falls so far short, that the difference in sludge protection is 57%.

* Consumers and trade partners should use and sell GTX 5W-30 with the total confidence of knowing that independent tests prove that it provides superior sludge protection—57% better than the leading competitor in a meaningful and relevant sludge test.

The advertiser’s evidence included the results of the M271 sludge test, a proprietary test created by automaker Mercedes-Benz for the purpose of testing motor-oil performance in European Mercedes Benz cars which are driven on European roads. The central question before NAD was whether the advertiser’s M271 test results could support its expressly quantified sludge-protection superiority claims.

NAD noted that the protocol, reference data, and reproducibility statistics for the M271 test are unpublished. Further, the tests were run on the engine that is used in the Mercedes E and C Classes, and there is no published correlation to U.S. standards for motor-oil tests and no field correlation to North American cars. Following its review of the evidence, NAD concluded that the M271 test is not an appropriate test on which to base a broad, unqualified “57% better” claim.

NAD therefore recommended that in the context of the advertiser’s television commercials – television being a medium that is not ideally suited for the type of extensive and detailed explanation that would be required to sufficiently qualify and explain the substantial limitations of the 57% claim – the advertiser should discontinue its “57% better” claims; and in the context of the advertiser’s website claims and technical bulletin – media that are more suited to nuanced and elaborated claims – the advertiser should either discontinue its “57% better” claims, or modify them to expressly state, in the body copy of the advertisement, that the superiority claim is limited to the motor oil’s performance in certain European Mercedes-Benz vehicles, as measured by a European automaker’s proprietary testing. NAD noted that such a change would be best accomplished by altering the body of the claim, rather than using a disclaimer.

BP America took issue with NAD’s findings. In its advertiser’s statement, the company said that it “strongly believes that consumers have a right to be informed about products like Castrol GTX, which are engineered to exceed the minimum performance standards met by Pennzoil’s conventional oil.”
 
Castrol seems to get worse and worse every year. I'm not a fan of their NA products or advertising at all. Thanks for sharing this.

These oil companies are going full force for the synthetic market.

In other markets, BP/Castrol do seem to make good lubricants. What is odd though is how they brought out an oil just for the GM 4718M spec.. odd.
 
I was never a fan of castrol products.

The only thing I like from em is the German Castrol.


But its not even green anymore!!!!!!!
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I've been using Castrol for a long time, but as soon as my stock pile is gone I will be using other oils for several different reasons. Stuff like this makes me sure of my decision. I'm using Mobil 1 EP and Motorcraft in place of Syntec and so far so good.
 
I'll bet that Mercedes wouldn't recommend Castrol GTX!

On the other hand, Mercedes has been using and recommending synthetic oils for many years.

I suppose someone will start claiming that the Mercedes testing is like 4-ball wear testing.
 
Originally Posted By: OilGuy
First it was GM catching GTX for changing to a new formulation that didn't meet minimum GM spec in 2007 - DOAH!


I think you are mischaracterizing the Gastrol-GM reference. There is a big difference between being tested and failing to meet a spec, and not being tested, which is the case for GTX and the GM spec. At least that was the case the last time I checked. If you have updated data, please let us see.

I won't argue over the rest of your post. Advertising is advertising, not any sort of real world. If you knew ad pukes the way I do.... (: < (! Very few companies get high marks in that area in my estimation, and yeah, Castrol is one of the worst offenders. Doesn't make it a bad oil, though. I won't base my oil choice on a stupid ad campaign or a urination contest between two oil companies.
 
Directly from the GM document announcing the change.

"GM has recently conducted a test program to check several of the oils on the Approved Oils list for compliance with the GM6094M specification. One of the oils tested during this program, Castrol GTX, was found not to meet the GM6094M specification, and so this oil has been removed from the Approved Oils list."
 
It appears that Castrol is trying to retain momentum from their past good reputation. The force against that inertia are reports like this, and a lackluster product.
 
Given Castrol GTX's just plain dorky ad campaigns, large increases in price, and IMO degradatation of additive package in 20W50 I see no reason for a bottle of GTX to ever enter my garage again. I used the remaining SL GTX in the primary of one of my bikes last year and am done with them.
 
I love these type of things: "Broadcast and Website advertising claims, as well as claims included in a technical brochure, were challenged before NAD, the advertising industry’s self-regulatory forum, by Pennzoil-Quaker State Company."

There is no Pennzoil-Quaker State Company and has not been since 2002.
 
Originally Posted By: Johnny
There is no Pennzoil-Quaker State Company and has not been since 2002.


Is that when it all became SOPUS?
 
The claims that GTX have been putting out the last several years are no different from the other marketing taglines that have been put out by ALL oil manufacturers since the early twenties. Each one has a certain spurious claim that irk me just as much as Castrol- Pennzoil, QS, Tropartic, Kendall, Mobil, Amsoil, RP, RL, Valvoline, Havoline, Motorcraft, and the list goes on and on.

It's funny how we automatically assume that Oil Additive manufacturers are lying to us and trying to get us to buy snake oil, yet we all slap our face and drop our mouths wide open when we discover an oil manufacturer doing the same exact thing.
 
Originally Posted By: OilGuy
Directly from the GM document announcing the change.

"GM has recently conducted a test program to check several of the oils on the Approved Oils list for compliance with the GM6094M specification. One of the oils tested during this program, Castrol GTX, was found not to meet the GM6094M specification, and so this oil has been removed from the Approved Oils list."


This is quoted from what? I can't find this anywhere. Overall, not sure if I care (since I don't drive a GM) but it never hurts to know so one can avoid tasting one's foot more often than necessary (: < )
 
Well now, this is different. At least EM keeps their competition-bashing to a minimum with their advertising. I give them credit for that. Castrol and Valvoline both seem to focus directly on a specific competitor's product.......
 
Originally Posted By: OilGuy
Directly from the GM document announcing the change.

"GM has recently conducted a test program to check several of the oils on the Approved Oils list for compliance with the GM6094M specification. One of the oils tested during this program, Castrol GTX, was found not to meet the GM6094M specification, and so this oil has been removed from the Approved Oils list."


That was I believe on April 2007. GM revised the list in Aug 2007 and added Castrol GTX back on the list. They have been there ever sence.

Have a good one,

Don
 
Originally Posted By: Jim Allen
Originally Posted By: OilGuy
Directly from the GM document announcing the change.

"GM has recently conducted a test program to check several of the oils on the Approved Oils list for compliance with the GM6094M specification. One of the oils tested during this program, Castrol GTX, was found not to meet the GM6094M specification, and so this oil has been removed from the Approved Oils list."


This is quoted from what? I can't find this anywhere. Overall, not sure if I care (since I don't drive a GM) but it never hurts to know so one can avoid tasting one's foot more often than necessary (: < )


No worries, civil challenges/disagreements/discussions benefit us all:) Documentation is tough to get your hands on at times. The July 2007 GM Techlink newsletter to GM dealer service professionals announced the change that happened in May 07 I believe. After being removed, Castrol evidently corrected what they needed to and then let GM validate the revised oil performance before getting back on the list in Aug 07.

On another note, bashing is an interesting word. Revealing the truth using industry-standard tests is quite different from trying to fabricate and stretch claims using non-applicable, non-industry-standard test results that "sound" official, but really have no relevance. Sometimes the truth hurts; sometimes the "facts" are nowhere near the truth.

If it was a bad batch, Castrol has a much, much bigger problem with quality control. I doubt they were that lax.
 
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I dunno if this is on-topic, the topic being sludge and advertising claims. However, RP is one company making some very outrageous claims and at lest, it seems Castrol is at least referencing a real industry oil standard and yeah, DID in fact run some test sequences, but as was said TV is a poor forum for technical comparisons.

My point about GTX vs RP is too, that I used some RP recently, a heavy 15w-40 and it burned off like CRAZY. That same car (Volvo V70) now has plain GTX 10w-30 nad has burned not a drop. It's not sludge, but consumption and deposits can be correlated. I mention that story because some people are running to leap off the Castrol bandwagon. I don't see where it's a bad SM-spec oil at all. Their claims are much less hyperbolic than a company like RP, for instance.
 
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