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Originally Posted By: artificialist
Originally Posted By: mr_diy
Originally Posted By: Greasymechtech
But they have no metal end-caps....laughing at Fram haters.

Some would squash but still work fine.

So, the bypass and ADBV are now non issues, built into the mount, cap, pump, block... or elsewhere.


I much prefer cartridges over canisters and wish Honda had made the switch like Toyota. Let's you inspect filter before and after OCI. Construction quality is much better due to being visible. Remoting the bypass means the filter crud isn't flushed through when a bypass occurs. No more concern over the specs and function of the bypass or ADBV. Changes can be less messy than canisters (bottom mounted versus side engine). Once production volume of cartridges get established should see lower prices due to simpler construction. Only ecore has given cartridges a bad rap.


There are millions of Ecotec 2.2 and 2.4 engines in use, yet their filter still costs more than spin on filters for other common engines.

It makes me think that cartridge filter prices may go down, however, I think they will never be equal to the price of spin on filters.


Maybe ecore carry a premium to cover the claims of damaged engines when they fall apart.
The relativity low volume cartridge for the 3.5L Olds engine has several available ~$3 at rockauto. Retail they tend to carry a premium.
 
Originally Posted By: mr_diy
Originally Posted By: artificialist
Originally Posted By: mr_diy
Originally Posted By: Greasymechtech
But they have no metal end-caps....laughing at Fram haters.

Some would squash but still work fine.

So, the bypass and ADBV are now non issues, built into the mount, cap, pump, block... or elsewhere.


I much prefer cartridges over canisters and wish Honda had made the switch like Toyota. Let's you inspect filter before and after OCI. Construction quality is much better due to being visible. Remoting the bypass means the filter crud isn't flushed through when a bypass occurs. No more concern over the specs and function of the bypass or ADBV. Changes can be less messy than canisters (bottom mounted versus side engine). Once production volume of cartridges get established should see lower prices due to simpler construction. Only ecore has given cartridges a bad rap.


There are millions of Ecotec 2.2 and 2.4 engines in use, yet their filter still costs more than spin on filters for other common engines.

It makes me think that cartridge filter prices may go down, however, I think they will never be equal to the price of spin on filters.


Maybe ecore carry a premium to cover the claims of damaged engines when they fall apart.
The relativity low volume cartridge for the 3.5L Olds engine has several available ~$3 at rockauto. Retail they tend to carry a premium.


Cavalier 2.2L 2003 cartridge vs 2002 canister at Rockauto carries only a ~50 cent premium.
 
Just my opinion , but I don't think the cartridge oil filters filter as good as a cannister type oil filter . When ever I remove the cartridge oil filter from my 3.8L Sedona the filter is discolored but weighs about the same as the stock filter when it went in . Any cannister type oil filter I remove from a vehicle at the end of an OCI are definately heavier than the stock filter (more than just the added oil it retains too) .
 
Originally Posted By: Bebop367
2010 Toyota Avalon with cartridge.
Only negative it's was messy my first change.
I follow the instructions now and it's not bad to change....just more time required.

I'm assuming that by 'follow the instructions', you mean that you pull the end cap off the filter bowl and plug or screw the drain stub into the bottom end of the bowl? I dutifully did that every time I changed the oil in my RAV4, and still got a cascade of oil down the outside of the bowl as soon as the o-ring broke contact with the skirt.

I see no real upside to cartridge filters, and given that they cost as much as (and usually more than) a canister filter, I'll take a canister any day.
 
Originally Posted By: leeharvey418

I see no real upside to cartridge filters, and given that they cost as much as (and usually more than) a canister filter, I'll take a canister any day.


I agree with you on the cost -- should be less considering fewer materials are required to construct the oil filter element.

Aside from cost, the benefit I see is: use of fewer resources to construct filter and the ability to view the condition of the filter after an OCI. Though messy, I think I prefer the cartridge type over the spin on type.

I am using a Bosch 3972 in the Lexus. Filter has the plastic endcaps -- hopefully it isn't suffering from the same problems as the other Bosch/Purolators (but for $3 each on clearance, I couldn't pass up the opportunity). At least I won't need to cut anything open to examine.
 
Oh yeah... since you're another 2GR-FE owner...

Bosch was one of the brands I used that would come out of service looking like it had been crushed. When the filter medium isn't supported radially (despite the metal inner tube that's integral to the filter bowl) and deforms under oil flow, I've got to think that it pulls the upper and lower 'gaskets' away from their mating surfaces.
 
Originally Posted By: leeharvey418
Oh yeah... since you're another 2GR-FE owner...

Bosch was one of the brands I used that would come out of service looking like it had been crushed. When the filter medium isn't supported radially (despite the metal inner tube that's integral to the filter bowl) and deforms under oil flow, I've got to think that it pulls the upper and lower 'gaskets' away from their mating surfaces.


That's interesting.... I am eager to see what mine will look like after a 5k OCI (manufacturer mandated OCI). I have read similar reviews as yours on other sites, but it wasn't enough to deter me.
 
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Been some Fram cartridge filter failures reported here recently all linked below. Never had an issue with Napa Gold/Wix cartridge filters, very high quality. For ease of installation though, still prefer spin on.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3434977/1

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3411091/Re:_Fram_Cartridge_Failure

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...ia_#Post3367488


Hello,
As you likely know, I work at FRAM. We are aware of the first two failures and were unable to recover the third one although we believe someone poked a hole through it as it is a very uncommon failure. That said, We are investing million of dollars in production lines to bring 100% of cartridge filter manufacturing in house. We have been using several sources for them and they are all built with USA sourced media. It is difficult to attach the filter media to the plastic end cap and we have developed a new process to do so. That said, we always stand behind our products 100% and encourage users to contact us with concerns like these. The number is 800-890-2075 option #2
 
As I mentioned earlier I've found Napa Gold/(Wix) cartridges to be very high quality as the pics below would indicate. Very tight uniform pleating before and after. They also use the composite/nylon type endcaps which based on this forum and google search appear to be very common construction, if not the most common type. I believe the latter to be true. They (Wix) along with other manufactures appear to have already mastered the media end cap bonding technique. The one below was run ~5k miles/7 months on a 3.8L Hyundai with excellent results. Easily could have gone much longer, but at 7 months was up against the H/K 6 months warranty max fci. Also able to obtain these for K OEM goes for ~$11.

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Love cartridge filters. The one on our Cruze is easy to change, no mess. Same for the neighbors CTS. Plus you can inspect them. To me they all need to change over to a cartridge. Just make sure it is located on top the engine. The ones underneath are still a mess to change out, like on a friends Camry. Even with that little plastic drain tube that comes with the filter, it makes a mess since it will not stay in place while draining.
 
Originally Posted By: sayjac
As I mentioned earlier I've found Napa Gold/(Wix) cartridges to be very high quality as the pics below would indicate. Very tight uniform pleating before and after. They also use the composite/nylon type endcaps which based on this forum and google search appear to be very common construction, if not the most common type. I believe the latter to be true. They (Wix) along with other manufactures appear to have already mastered the media end cap bonding technique. The one below was run ~5k miles/7 months on a 3.8L Hyundai with excellent results. Easily could have gone much longer, but at 7 months was up against the H/K 6 months warranty max fci. Also able to obtain these for K OEM goes for ~$11.


I noticed on NAPA's website, not all the filters have end caps (only Napa platinum when searching for one for a Toyota Camry). Seems a number of the early cartridge filters had end caps--MANN used to as well--but many manufacturers are getting rid of them :-(
 
In respect to the Camry filters. I prefer the filters without the end cap. Media surface appears much smaller when using an end cap. I don't see the benefits of the end cap vs a properly built filter without it.
 
I run those same Napa Wix filters in our KIA due to recommendations here by sayjac, never an issue. Always look good, no start up or running noise issues either.
 
I was initially worried about the Wix cartridge filter I purchased for our '14 Sonic with the 1.4T Ecotec because it didn't have the same felt endcap piece that the AC/Delco had. After examination however, it does have a rubber O-Ring to seal against that the Delco didn't.

Different strokes for different folks.
 
Originally Posted By: sayjac
. Mahle made H/K OEM goes for ~$11.



I got mine off of eBay from a Kia dealer who sells there for $9 a piece + free shipping.

Once I'm out of engine warranty (another 60k miles) I may switch to 10k oil changes to see how the OEM filters hold up, I've been doing 6-7k changes.

In any case, good information on the NAPA golds, thanks!
 
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