Carry/CCW permit in NJ

[Astro14]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Barkleymut
I now completely avoid DC and Merrieland because I am terrified that maybe one bullet has found its way under a seat cushion and my family doesn't have millions for lawyers to get me out of jail. Yeah it's THAT bad.


Really? Please cite to back that up. Thanks.


Read the linked article.

 

[Astro14]

NJ is beyond gun-unfriendly....they're looking for a reason to prosecute reasonable people (sure is easier than going after gangs or organized crime).

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Philly_mom_faces_jail_due_to_New_Jerseys_strict_gun_laws.html

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
NJ is beyond gun-unfriendly....they're looking for a reason to prosecute reasonable people (sure is easier than going after gangs or organized crime).

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Philly_mom_faces_jail_due_to_New_Jerseys_strict_gun_laws.html



Regarding your two posts, one has nothing to do with the other.

Cops "targeting" gun owners in MD is obviously a major issue, but proof and citing off these cases needs to be carefully done. The anecdote that randomly finding a stray bullet in a car otherwise 100% legal to me is dubious, and I'm still waiting on it being proven to be anything but anecdote. And that anecdotes being any differnt from the claim claims that cops hide bags of weed in cars of people they want to arrest, or anything like that.

For the lady from Philly, she violated the NJ law. I don't like the NJ law any more than anyone else, but there is a general expectation that entry into a state assumes an understanding and compliance with those local laws. That doesn't just pertain to guns. And it is well known by any responsible ccw holder that ccw is not always reciprocal by state, especially on the east coast.

The case where the guy who was moving got thrown in jail is a better example of a bad law/enforcement than that lady.

 

[Astro14]

I didn't intend that my two subsequent posts make the same point - had I intended for them to be mutually supportive, then I would have made one post.

You asked for specific citations to support the point that the Maryland police target gun owners - that was in the article.

For the second post, I agree that the young lady violated NJ law, but it was not an intentional violation, and the police would not have known about her weapon had she not volunteered (note to the wise; never disclose anything beyond answering the question). The point of that story is the zealous prosecution of one person who was not posing a threat, while that DA in Atlantic City has a district full of more serious offenses. The DA was making a big deal out of this case, he leaked it to the press to show how he was cracking down on gun crime...

But what it really demonstrates is a hostile climate towards gun onwers.

NJ is anti-gun, much like NY is anti-gun. It's not really a subject for debate, it's simply a fact.

 

[MalfunctionProne]

^^ Astro14 and JHZR2:

1. Maybe my wife and I will revisit CCW carrtmy if we emigrate to PA. Locking down a good job in Linden right now. Blancke St. It is called Hello Fresh..

2. Do we not have "duty to inform" laws on the books regarding firearm carry and transport?

PA and NJ are.. different worlds. PA seems better.. in my opinion... is Philadelphia County "good?" Or do you need to be in Bucks County or "wherever Norristown is" ?

 

[spasm3]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2

The case where the guy who was moving got thrown in jail is a better example of a bad law/enforcement than that lady.


I think they both are examples of bad law enforcement. These are people otherwise were law abiding citzens I.e. the good guys. The spirit of the law is in question here. Is there any intentional disregard for the law. I know ignorance is no excuse but prudent judgement could have occurred in these instances and they did not.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: Astro14


You asked for specific citations to support the point that the Maryland police target gun owners - that was in the article.

For the second post, I agree that the young lady violated NJ law, but it was not an intentional violation, and the police would not have known about her weapon had she not volunteered (note to the wise; never disclose anything beyond answering the question). The point of that story is the zealous prosecution of one person who was not posing a threat, while that DA in Atlantic City has a district full of more serious offenses. The DA was making a big deal out of this case, he leaked it to the press to show how he was cracking down on gun crime...

But what it really demonstrates is a hostile climate towards gun onwers.

NJ is anti-gun, much like NY is anti-gun. It's not really a subject for debate, it's simply a fact.


I asked for citations that a cop will arrest you for finding a lone, lost bullet in the car. The targeting is totally wrong and I hope that such behaviors are stamped out, though it seems that profiling is the norm for LE.

As far as intentional violations, I'm not so sure that stands for any violation of any law. Seems duty of the law is always the job of the citizen. If you non-intentionally run a red light due to bad timing, or break some other vehicular law because you weren't aware of the rules, does that just give a free pass?

 

[spasm3]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2


As far as intentional violations, I'm not so sure that stands for any violation of any law. Seems duty of the law is always the job of the citizen. If you non-intentionally run a red light due to bad timing, or break some other vehicular law because you weren't aware of the rules, does that just give a free pass?


Well thats a pretty obvious violation, but for example, people have run a red light in Washington D.C. some officers have used prudent judgement that people from other states are not used to lights on the side of the street verses overhead the intersection, at times they use judgement and do not ticket.
If you live in the D.C. area and run a light, i'm sure you would get a ticket, hence prudent application of the spirit of the law.

 

[Barkleymut]

JHZ- my point about a stray bullet was that I do not care to find out about some law after it is too late. I do not have a CCP, but the VA State police have run my info twice in the past year for handgun purchases. I wouldn't doubt if the DC police have this info, and if they ran my plates, what is to stop them from pulling me over and searching my car? I don't need the hassle. What if they find some spent casings? They are going to want to know where the lead is.

I will just stick to VA where I can drive with a loaded gun in plain view or in my glovebox. No documentation required.