Canadian Cop kills man, convicted attempted murder

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http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada...-a-man-to-death

Toronto Police officer James Forcillo has likely earned a place in Canadian legal history after unambiguously shooting a man to death, but only being convicted of attempted murder.

But the “bizarre” result hinges on the jury’s simple decision that while Forcillo may have been justified in shooting 18-year-old Sammy Yatim, he was not justified in emptying his pistol into the teenager’s crumpled body.
 
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So a jury of sheep who have never TOUCHED a firearm in their entire lives decide this? What a travestry of justice.
 
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Agree. A scared person can empty a gun in 2 to 3 seconds. Numerous (hundreds?) of cases of cops shooting till their pistol goes empty. If the shooting was justified, he should have been found not guilty. A total miscarriage of justice here.
 
He didn't empty gun. He shot dude. hung out for a bit and shot him some more on the ground. Needs to be in prison.
 
Did any of you actually read the article? (Rhetorical question, I know the answer)

He fired 3 times, at which point the suspect fell to ground motionless and was harmless (he was dead). Then the cop paused 6 seconds, thinking about it some more, and fired 6 more times. The jury ruled that the final 6 shots were not justified.
 
Ayoob, the gun writer, has said on numerous occasions, that people have been hit with premeditation after cocking a revolver and then shooting an intruder. Cocking the gun implies a premeditated state. I always carry a hammerless (concealed hammer) revolver that can be fired DAO as a result. Cannot be cocked, just fired.
 
Originally Posted By: Boomer
Ayoob, the gun writer, has said on numerous occasions, that people have been hit with premeditation after cocking a revolver and then shooting an intruder. Cocking the gun implies a premeditated state. I always carry a hammerless (concealed hammer) revolver that can be fired DAO as a result. Cannot be cocked, just fired.


A good case for on in the chamber on autos...
 
Originally Posted By: SOHCman
Originally Posted By: Boomer
Ayoob, the gun writer, has said on numerous occasions, that people have been hit with premeditation after cocking a revolver and then shooting an intruder. Cocking the gun implies a premeditated state. I always carry a hammerless (concealed hammer) revolver that can be fired DAO as a result. Cannot be cocked, just fired.


A good case for on in the chamber on autos...
No. A good case to shut your trap and get a lawyer when police are questioning you in a criminal investigation.
 
Sounds like a crock to me. It's justified or it's not.

Fire until the threat is no longer a threat. If one round does it, fine. If it takes the whole mag then that's what it takes.


edit: after spouting off half cocked I thought I had better read the article... Interesting. Not sure what to make of it. The second volley seems to show intent, buuuttttt..... he was already dead. Hmmm. Not sure the attempted murder charge is the right one, but he probably should have had some kind of charge leveled against him.
 
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Yeah this does make sense here in this circumstance hatt.

Officers ARE trained to empty their weapon when use of force is needed to protect their own life, that of a fellow officer or general public if a person presents a threat of death or serious bodily harm. Think about it this way... A person who is a serious threat is not someone you want to have upon you with your weapon with ANY rounds left in it. That's a big reason why officers and people with conceal carry permits are trained to empty their gun. In a number of instances people are disarmed of their own weapons only to have their own weapon used against them. Empty your gun until threat is down and no longer poses a threat.

That having been stated. This here is not what happened here so this changes the nature of this event. A pause of five seconds plus changes what went on here.

One of the biggest reasons that the officer in Ferguson was acquitted was two fold.. 1) the offender attacked the officer and went for his gun discharging in the vehicle. 2) the offender charged at the officer a second time. No one in their right mind is going to wait until the offender is on them to fire their gun. Eliminate the threat. There was not going to be a 2nd wrestling match for the officer's gun.

In Trayvon Martins case the one HUGE aspect/detail that kept Zimmerman out of jail was this... 1 round was fired upwards. This collaborates his account of being scared for his life. Good, bad or indifferent if Zimmermann had fired say 4,5,6 shots or more than it runs a bit contrary to his account. Especially if these rounds were fired from a higher plane into a lower one where Trayvon was on the ground. IF that had happened than Zimmerman would have been convicted. 1 shot being fired from a lower position upwards indicated that it was fired out if fear and that it was to get that person off of him. That's why he was acquitted in his case.

Take the South Carolina shooting on videotape where the officer shot a man running from him in the back. Was that man a threat to the officer?? Was great bodily harm imminent to the officer with the guy running from him?? No and no. He should be convicted of at least 2nd degree murder in my strong opinion.

I am all about officer's protecting themselves so that they can go home to see their familys again. But I am not for them carelessly and wantingly shooting people who pose no real threat to them.

I firmly believe that the overwhelming vast majority of police officers are good men and women. Like 98%-99%. There will always be unsafe and bad apples in the bunch. Those must be weeded out and prosecuted if they are a threat to the general public.

Having stated this.. Let me tell you all that this same phenomenon is happening in the medical field as well. I've seen firsthand someone die from a medical provider being direlect in this persons duty. It happens here too. 1-2% of the time.
 
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They need psychological tests to weed out the control freaks and power trippers. I'd be willing to bet about 30% fall under those categories.

Stop with the 99% are good people [censored].
 
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Agree. A scared person can empty a gun in 2 to 3 seconds. Numerous (hundreds?) of cases of cops shooting till their pistol goes empty. If the shooting was justified, he should have been found not guilty. A total miscarriage of justice here.


Exactly, I believe in the US he would have NOT been convicted of anything. When a perp is threatening the life of a LEO depending on the level of threat to their life they could be easily justified of emptying their entire weapon into them. My advice to dangerous
criminals is to stop their activities and then they won't be shot.
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Turtlevette... I suggest you go out and meet more of them. You may just learn something. Ohh and I've run into two that were complete power trippers who were preposterously arrogant. You are right about that. I will say this... That percentage may be 90% or better. But 10% in ANY profession can be really no good.
 
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
[my advice to dangerous
criminals is to stop their activities and then they won't be shot.
whistle.gif



Did you forget to call Oregon with this advice?
 
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
[my advice to dangerous
criminals is to stop their activities and then they won't be shot.
whistle.gif



Did you forget to call Oregon with this advice?






The dangerous criminals as we now know are federal gov't agents who have yet again murdered in cold blood an innocent man. Just like they murdered Randy Weaver's wife Vicki and 14 yr old son Samuel.
 
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
[my advice to dangerous
criminals is to stop their activities and then they won't be shot.
whistle.gif



Did you forget to call Oregon with this advice?



The dangerous criminals as we now know are federal gov't agents who have yet again murdered in cold blood an innocent man. Just like they murdered Randy Weaver's wife Vicki and 14 yr old son Samuel.


But all the cop shoots in inner-city black neighborhoods are good ones? Categorically?
 
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
[my advice to dangerous
criminals is to stop their activities and then they won't be shot.
whistle.gif



Did you forget to call Oregon with this advice?








The dangerous criminals as we now know are federal gov't agents who have yet again murdered in cold blood an innocent man. Just like they murdered Randy Weaver's wife Vicki and 14 yr old son Samuel.


The Federal agents in Oregon were likely in diapers or elementary school when Ruby Ridge occurred.
 
Originally Posted By: turtlevette

But all the cop shoots in inner-city black neighborhoods are good ones? Categorically?



Keep trolling genius.
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You darn well know that isn't what I think.
 
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Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp


The Federal agents in Oregon were likely in diapers or elementary school when Ruby Ridge occurred.


True but it is a landmark case that supposedly is used when training agents with regards to such situations.
 
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