Can MMO be used in a radiator?

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Originally Posted By: steveh
Whats with the MMO fad over the last year? It went from Auto-RX fad to the MMO fad.


Yeah, folks are just nuts.

MMO is a snake oil, just like any other.

The only "additive" I have seen of late from manufacturers is fuel system cleaner, and they have been PROVEN to work by labs like Chevron because the detergent they use PEA, IS effective at removing carbon deposits. unlike this MMO [censored].
 
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One more side note.
Petrochemicals eat rubber so, anything rubber in your engine that makes contact with the coolant diluted with MMO will likely leak: coolant hoses, rubber gasket on your waterpump, etc.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
There are a LOT of MMO junkies out there..... That is scary. I wonder if they add it to their toothpaste? Evening drink?


LOL. I have splashed it behind my ears on occasion. Seriously, oil and water don't mix, MMO doesn't belong in the cooling system.
 
'Bout the most ridiculous thing I've heard in some time!
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Originally Posted By: steveh
Whats with the MMO fad over the last year? It went from Auto-RX fad to the MMO fad.


I think that Auto R/X was getting a bit too expensive and could only be had through their web site...although I really don't know! MMO can be gotten at just about any auto parts store or discount store so, the availability is much greater.

My BIL works on outboard boat moters(Johnson/Evinrude)and has been for over 45-47 yrs and swears by MMO. He also machines his own parts if he can't buy them any longer. Machining parts has nothing to do with the MMO/AutoRX post. MMO is a proven product for small engines as my BIL turned me onto MMO years ago for my lawn/snow equipment and carb'd vehicles. I notice nothing, and I mean nothing in my EFI vehicles. No smoother, no better power/torque, no better MPG. Nothing!
 
While I worked on small cessnas at our local hanger (small engine repair+ electrical works) many moons ago: ole tymers worked on old radial Lycomings (still on leaded AV gas though) and a few other oldies , owners swore by mMos: from gas mix to oil. They claimed that it's been used successfully since WW-II with great success so why-not?

They have a point.

However, things aren't this way with newer engines such as Rotax I frequently worked on, which some of them would have a reduction gearbox so that the propeller directly coupled to the crankshaft. This gearbox typically requires something with lots of EP/anti-wear additives inside. My GF's flight buddy switched to using straight-weight SAE 30 with MMO to further thins out the oil and the gears became worn after approx 300hrs of useage.

So, it took a bit of hard convincing to get that buddy to eliminate the addition of MMO in the gearbox (still the same SAE30 from the same oil brand/supplier), got approx. 800hrs out of it before the gear set gets replaced.

Next, we tried substituting with hypoid gear oil with loads of EP+Anti-wear additives (I believe it was GL-4, just run-of-da-mill OTC stuff), and the gearbox lasted over 1400hrs and the clearances still within spec.

Personally, I do not believe in MMO or adding stoddard solvent into anything I work on, not even gas (carb/ported EFI/DFI), most certainly not in engine oil. I never believe in the "so-called" UCL properties, citing the high-mileage 4-cyl internal combustion engines I worked on in the past (with proper maintenance, regular motor oil, etc.), the wear patterns RE: cylinder bore taper, cross-hatch marks, etc. are within factory specs even without them so why bother?

The only OTC stuff that has it's place in all the engines/vehicles that I worked on so far are: (1) B&S fuel stabiliser for small engines; (2 )air-throttle cleaner spray; (3 ) AutoRx for conditional remedy on certain mechanical problems (very focused, not just for that "feel-good" sensation commonly found on joes obsessed with OTC additives); LC20 on small engines motor oil; (4 ) PEA-based fuel injector cleaners for occasional runs in ported EFI cars.

All other mechanical issues, IMHO, require careful assessment to determine what the problem is/are, and proper fix is to be prescribed to resolve the problems properly. No OTC additives would needed in this case.

My 2c's worth.

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Originally Posted By: Steve S
If it is posted on the internet believe it, as it has to be fact.


RRRIIIGGGHHHTTT!

What else I've seen on the internet so far: hmmm...bonzai kittens, anyone?

**the fact of the matter is: internet, being the latest frontier, is laden with garbage postings and useless facts/urban legends, housewives tales, etc. that finding the real fact is like finding needles in a haystack(s).

Also: education place a big role in determining how sensible/logical an avg joe things/acts...and many a times, most joes don't think/act sensibly/logically, thus the great internet.

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Coolant temperature, as already said, will indicate the coolant temperautre at that one point, and is controlled by the thermostat. The issue with using a porduct like MMO, all chemical issues aside, is that it will coat coolant passages and LOWER the heat transfer from the block to the coolant. The thermal conductivity of oil is much less than that of water. While a thin layer might not cause a catastrophic rise in metal temps in the coolant channels, the fact is, it offers ZERO value.
 
Originally Posted By: hardcore302
President Lincoln used MMO in his radiator..


Claaaaassic misconception. Lincoln always use Water Wetter, and Water Wetter only, in his '52, though every one seems to think it was MMO for some darned reason. Unbelievable how dumb people can be.
 
Originally Posted By: FL_Rob
Wow, and I thought we bitogers were just nutz, there's actually MMO'GERS out there!
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yep. Though their forum isn't as active as this forum
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Usually there may be one new post/reply every other week or so.....it's one of those things where EVERYTHING has been discussed about it; when new topics do come around, it's already been talked about in the 50+ pages of posts on the forum (at 20-30 posts per page..) lol.

They even got a big list of "MMO Uses" other than in the crankcase, and fuel.....

MMO in the crankcase and fuel are the "most popular" uses for the product, but yea, there are some "fans" who will go to great lengths and try it for other things
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And even the operator/moderators/owners at MMO themselves have pointed out on their forums it can be used in the transmission, power steering, but not the coolant.....lol.
 
LOL! Once again, it just proves my point that MMO fanboyz would do just about anything for immediate graitifications.

What next? trying to prove that MMO being used in NASA inter-gallectic space mission for additional gratifications? (j/k)



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Originally Posted By: Errtt
man - next thing ya know they'll say to put it in the washer fluid tank to lube the washer pump and to wash your vehicle in MMO to make it go faster


your not suppose to add MMO to your wash bucket ?????? WHY DIDNT SOMEONE TELL ME !!!!!!!!!!!!
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