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Model 3 Performance trim.
Can EVs be wirelessly charged?
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For sure, it might be a deal for the right person. I stopped buying used cars years ago, I only buy new now, and only vehicles I like, and keep them a very long time. Buying a car I don't like would be asking to lose money. In the case of an EV I'd be asking to lose a lot of money.
OK but I take issue with this. Depreciation doesn't matter at all if you keep it a very long time. Let's say you keep a vehicle for 10 years and/or 200,000 miles. At that point, no modern vehicle will be worth much of anything.
In the meantime, your EV will have needed nothing more than tires, wiper blades, cabin filters, and maybe the exchange of coolant and brake fluid once in that time (although I suspect most people don't actually do that stuff). The EV might need brake pads ONCE in that time if you drive gently?
Assuming you take it to the dealer or a reputable independent shop that charges fair market rates, what maintenance does a typical gas car take?
- $100 oil change every 6 months or 5k miles
- $1000 brakes every 3 years
- $500 spark plugs every 5 years
- $1000 in various other repairs - let's say a couple ignition coils, air filter, etc.
- I'm not including wear items like shocks or tires
You forgot the $15-$30k battery replacement on an EV. $10k for a failed IGM. $8k for a ERAD transmission. $2k for a rice cooker (electric coolant heater).
Then you have to replace tires twice as often due to the crazy weight of an EV. My Volvo small suv needed tires at 8000 miles. that is about $2k if I wasnt a tech doing it myself.
Volvo did a study 9 years ago that found one of their BEVs coming off the assembly line had the same carbon foot print of an ICE driving 60k miles. Its on youtube somewhere. So if you never drive your ICE more than 60k, you are cleaner from rubber and carbon pollution. EU did a study and found EVs cause huge rubber pollution in water due to the weight and tire wear.
In my experience, the EV has no more pros than an ICE but far more cons and costs.
Sorry. Old brains here. Just lucky I didn't call them the '91 and '92.
So yes I meant the 2021 Model 3 (which is very good - has a heat pump for the heater and AC, and a power trunk lid) and the 2022 (which is very similar to my '21 but I understand has updated electronic hardware). My mid year production 2021 SR+ has a lighter and higher energy density battery than the late year 2021 or the 2022 base model. But the 2022 LR (or the performance model) have that same higher density battery as mine, only larger.
There is no replacement necessary on the current Teslas, and probably many other EVs. The Tesla batteries will likely outlast the car. You are referring to the early cars.
I am referring to what I know, which is Volvo. Warranty is eight years or 100k milesl.
I dont even mention tesla because its a throw away car with no value, like the chinese cars, with notorious bad paint and body problems. I am an avid hobby detailer and see the nightmares teslas are. I take pride in my automobiles and tesla is not something you can be proud of. Its for accountants that dont care if they drive a bucket with wheels
End of warranty does not mean end of life. How many battery replacements do you know of in modern EVs?
I've owned 2 Tesla Model 3s; they have been perfect. The 3/Y cars have been among the best selling cars in the world for years, and are hardly inexpensive. There is a reason for it.
Again all valid points. One point you're missing, I don't like nor do I want an EV. At this moment in time I want no part of one. Even with the $7,500 incentive I passed, and if they brought that back and made it an even $10k I'd still pass. I'm sure there are vehicles you don't like or want, and if you're like me no matter how hard a sell, or how good a deal, no one is going to change my mind. Also when a person buys a car they knew they didn't like or want and they decide to sell it, they take a beating, with an EV it will be a massacre. I sold cars for three years, I sold a few cars that people really didn't like. A few traded them for what they should have bought in the first place, they got killed!! I've been around a long time, I know myself better than anyone does, and an EV is not for me.
EV's mostly sold due to the federal rebate. They have since hit a wall in sales because of the lack of rebate. And yes, teslas sale because they are cheap throw away cars which the exception of one model. It is not a car that people buy out of pride. Teslas remind me of the episode of South Park where EV drivers sniffed their own farts... LOL
End of warranty means you pay $15-$30k for a battery replacement as I have already described.
Every part I listed and priced out for you is something I have personally replaced in 2022 at the dealership.
EDIT: i see you live in cali, i understand why you argue for an EV with your upcoming $8/gallon gas that has been predicted.
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Tires - yes EVs will need more frequent replacement because of their torque and weight.
Battery replacement - probably not. With the exception of occasional batteries that fail early (and will be covered by warranty) Tesla Model 3 batteries last a long time - likely exceeding the life of the car itself. It seems the go about 250,000 miles before needing replacement.
The rest is all worst case guesswork. You could do the same with an ICE - engine ($12,000 - maybe more), transmission ($5,000), differential ($1200), etc. For the record, those costs aren't likely on an ICE either.
I understand that EVs (with their lower maintenance costs) do threaten people's livelihoods, and I'm sorry about that, but times change.
I dont work on cars anymore but times are not changing as you may think... as a former owner and tech, i will never own another.
According to J.D. Power and S&P Global Mobility, the U.S. EV market share in October plummeted to around 5%, down from a record high of over 12% in September. That’s not only a steep month-to-month drop, but also a sharp decline from the 8% share recorded in October 2024. The last time EVs accounted for just 5% of American vehicle sales was back in early 2022.
S&P Global Mobility estimates that about 64,000 new electric vehicles were sold in October — less than half of the nearly 150,000 EVs sold in September, as buyers rushed to take advantage of the final days of the federal incentive. Plug-in hybrids suffered as well, dropping from 2.2% of sales in September to just 1% in October.
And in Europe the recent largest market share was for hybrids, followed by EVs, followed by ICEs.
Yes, the market share for EVs exceeded ICEs. Admittedly not by much, but the point is that EV sales are not collapsing world wide. That's probably something to do with the cost of gasoline in Europe.
PHEV is far more popular than BEV where I am in Germany. People dont really drive far around here because of public transport.
Gas is by the liter here but it roughly translates to $6-$7/gallon.
Thankfully, due to my job, I havent paid for fuel in three years but fueling up tax free is $50 at most for my Audi S5.
Yeah I bought mine used for $7,000.
No way I'm throwing away years of earlier retirement to drive s new car.